Whole package pumping: STJ vs Cylinder

I need some help in deciding whether I want to invest in a Sun Tea Jar(2 stage style) setup or buying a large diameter(3+ inches) cylinder for whole package pumping.

Does anyone have experience with both and if so, which do you feel is more conducive to permanent gains(primarily penis).

I am an experienced pumper and feel that whole package pumping would be nice to add to my arsenal of exercises/routines. I am primarily focused on making girth gains.

Thanks

A while back I splurged and bought the LongJohnny full package cylinder from Pumptoys: https://www.pum … od/longjohn.php

It took me a little while to get used to it, but now I love it. The cylinder is 10" long and has a 4" ID and it features a very soft precision seal at the base that makes the cylinder very comfortable to use. I did not buy the optional more expensive Silicone seal. What I like most is not just the ball pumping, but also the feel that your entire shaft, right down to the root is being expanded by the vacuum pressure. Right now, I am only using 3"hg of pressure and the results have been pretty fantastic.

This is my very first experience with full package pumping, so I can’t comment on how comfortable, or not, a sun tea jar would be, or a large cylinder without the cushioned seal. All I can say is the LongJohnny couldn’t be more comfortable to use.

If you feel like splurging a little, but having a lot of fun, I would recommend this set up.

Thanks gprent for you review of the LongJohnny.

I can’t afford to spend that much at the moment. My plans were to either buy the STJ conversion kit from pumptoys(which includes the STJ precision seal that is used on the LongJohnny) or buy a Kaplan Cylinder(these go as high as 3.5” diameter) on ebay. They both run about the same price($50). So far the defining factor on my mind is the use of the STJ seal.

Off topic, gprent, do you apply a source of heat while whole package pumping? If so, what source are you using and why do you feel it is overall beneficial to your pumping.

I always use heat. For the LongJohnny, I pre-heat it in the oven at 140 degrees F and while pumping I wrap the cylinder in the same Kaz electric heat pad I use for my regular cylinders. The only difference is the pad doesn’t quite make it all the way around the LongJohnny.

I think the heat greatly aids expansion while pumping, and it also eliminates any condensation from forming inside the cylinder. Plus, the heat just feels damn nice.

That STJ seal is very comfortable, but you do have to take care of it. Don’t throw away the plastic baggie it comes in. Use it to store the seal in and keep the seal on a flat surface so it holds the proper shape. (I don’t preheat the seal in the oven, just the cylinder)

Thanks for the tips gprent.

stormy,

I have a 2-stage cylinder (3.25” x 4” x 10”), and I really like it. My latest routine is start out pumping both dick and ballsac in the 2-stage using vacuum pressure between 3 - 5 in/hg, maybe for up to an hour. This gives my overall package a good stretch and the sac is enlarged. This was extremely beneficial for me early on when I had a very tight ballsac. That problem has now been permanently fixed. When done, I then pump my dick only using my 2.25” cylinder for a nice dick stretch and girth expansion. Overall results are good for me. Great expansion that lingers gradually for up to 2 days and really helps to grow my flaccid size.

I also have a large diameter 2.5” cylinder, which I’ve used to pump dick/ballsac simultaneously, but I prefer the routine above lately.

Peforeal

peforeal,

Do you go the full hour without any breaks and do you employ a heat source? Also, do you try to keep an erection during the duration or do you just relax? I would imagine full package pumping would make it much more difficult to try and keep an erection going(difficulty with jelqing the tube).

Do you get much lymph build up from that routine? I’m on a decon break right now(other than my random pumping session a few days ago) and my old routine consisted of two 20 minute sets for two sessions a day. I would get a slight donut from that, however if I did more than two sets in one session I would start to get some pretty noticeable lymph going.

I have decided to buy the STJ conversion kit. Haven’t ordered yet, but soon. What I have in mind for my next PE routine is along the lines of a clamp session followed by a low hg STJ pump session to help healing/stimulate growth. Also every other day(possibly two off) scheduling as well; going to give the ‘less is more’ approach a shot.

Thanks again guys for the info.

stormy,

I take many breaks while pumping for an hour in a 2-stage cylinder or in my dick only cylinders, reducing the vacuum pressure to near zero and then pumping back up. Maybe every 5 minutes or so. I don’t use a heat source, mostly out of laziness.

I try to keep an erection during the duration, being stimulated via porn or by just manually stimulating my nipples which are highly sensitive parts of my body.

I get some lymph build up but not to any extreme. Plus, I can always eliminate the lymph using the suggestions I’ve posted in different threads (i.e. wrapping before pumping or using duct tape to eliminate the donut, etc.)

Peforeal

Do you consider the releasing of the vacuum pressure your break, so you keep the cylinder on the whole hour or are there points in your pumping where you actually take off your cylinder?

Also, when you go down to near zero HG, how long do you stay at that pressure before you pump back to your normal pressure?

When you use this method, let’s say 20-30 minutes into your pumping, when you release the pressure do you notice a drastic drop in size or does the size you have pumped up to stay even when you drop the pressure down?

And finally, do you feel this technique has been beneficial to your gains? Why so?

My current technique for pumping is to pump up to a certain hg and leave it at that hg(re-pumping back up when the pressure drops) for no more than 20 minutes at a time. It has worked for temporary gains however I’m still having a hard time getting permanent gains; I am a hard gainer.

Sorry for the intense questioning, but as a hard gainer(both length and girth) I tend to analyze good gainers routines/techniques very closely. I feel it’s those little tweaks in a routine that can make the biggest differences.

Do you consider the releasing of the vacuum pressure your break, so you keep the cylinder on the whole hour or are there points in your pumping where you actually take off your cylinder?

Peforeal: Lately, that’s exactly what I do. I release the pressure down to zero, kegel a bit, and then pump back up again. I’ve been concentrating on just straight pumping, so I don’t take off the cylinder until I’m going to use another sized cylinder or if I’m done pumping and just jelq a bit for circulation

Also, when you go down to near zero HG, how long do you stay at that pressure before you pump back to your normal pressure?

Peforeal: I drop to zero for about 15-30 seconds and then pump back up.

When you use this method, let’s say 20-30 minutes into your pumping, when you release the pressure do you notice a drastic drop in size or does the size you have pumped up to stay even when you drop the pressure down?

Peforeal: When I release the pressure, of course there will be a drop in size from the drop in pressure. But if I exit the tube, I can stimulate an erection nearly back to my pumped erect size, which is what I use as a positive indicator of pumping progress.

And finally, do you feel this technique has been beneficial to your gains? Why so?

Peforeal: This is a personal technique that works for my dick which is very conditioned after 6 years of these kinds of experiences. This technique still is working for me. In fact, I’ve really been focused and have gained an 1/8” in erect length after having plateaued for awhile (mostly from lack of real purposeful pumping). Why does it work for me? I can only say that I go by “feeling”, and if my dick looks bigger, has a healthy color and can get erect without difficulty, then I’m on the right track.

My current technique for pumping is to pump up to a certain hg and leave it at that hg(re-pumping back up when the pressure drops) for no more than 20 minutes at a time. It has worked for temporary gains however I’m still having a hard time getting permanent gains; I am a hard gainer.

Peforeal: I don’t know how much you’re pushing the hg levels and time in the tube, but always be careful not to go overboard. There’s a fine line with pumping in terms of too much being non-productive. You have to find the balance of time and pressure that works for you and maintains positive indicators. If you have negative indicators starting to occur, take several days off.

Sorry for the intense questioning, but as a hard gainer(both length and girth) I tend to analyze good gainers routines/techniques very closely. I feel it’s those little tweaks in a routine that can make the biggest differences.

Peforeal: Good luck!

Thanks again Peforeal.

Do you know what the advantage of the silicone seal is? (From reading their site, it seems perhaps you can use any type of lube without fear of degrading the seal, whereas with the seal you have you have to be careful what lube is used?)

Gprent, do you enter the tube with a full erection and try to keep it? One of the reasons I stopped pumping was because it amounted to 1 hour whack off sessions, as I watched porn and tried to keep a solid erection the whole time. Too much work! Maybe it is different for these “whole package” cylinders?

The only thing I know about how good the silicone seal is from what I read on their site. I take good care of my seal and store it flat in the baggie it came in. It is still like new. I use dry lubrication, perhaps a new concept. I use cornstarch baby powder and that works great for me and clean up is nothing.

I have never had too much problem staying erect or very nearly erect while pumping. Now that I take liquid Tadalafil, I really don’t have any problem.

I am completely hooked on full package pumping though. For me, it is the way to go.

There is more info on this subject here: Switching Gears: Adios My Pumper Friends

Thanks Gprent. I have read that thread and the few others that came up with a “longjohhny” search.

I will read a bit more and then ask a question or two. Having you endorse something is a pretty big deal, and I think I will likely order a longjohnny soon. (The dry lubrication seems kinds strange, but I will see what I find in that department, too.)

Just remember commander, this form of pumping does require a more extensive level of shaving to ensure a good seal, so if you haven’t already, be prepared to “take it all off”. :)