A Deeply Disappointing Outcome

Glad to hear it. Yes rest time is just as important as the excersises themselves.

Follow-up question, does sex on rest days hinder a routine? I’ve done it on work out days and rest days and I’m really hoping I haven’t negated my gains with sex. Not that I’m complaining, I just don’t want my baser instincts to negate all the hard work I’ve done.

Never forgo sex for PE. If you do your priorities are confused.

Also comforting info. Because admittedly, I strongly prefer sex to PE. Glad it isn’t a hindrance. Even if it was, I’m 100% certain every member of this forum would make the sacrifice.

Before I joined Thunders I didn’t have very good notions of PE and was mainly overdoing rudimentary routines including pumping and jelqing. During that whole month of tryouts I didn’t notice any gain, even when working very hard. It is when I discovered the proper techniques provided here and applied the aforementioned important concept of rest periods that my gains started to show up. A safe and proper technique surrounded by rest periods for healing is what constitutes the key to successful results.

I’d also add that 15 years ago I did bodybuilding for several years, and gained over 60 pounds of muscle mass after only 2 years and that, without hormones. In the course of the first months of my training I was pushing too much, hurting myself and not gaining at all since the body couldn’t recover from the muscle stress. A wise trainer told me to reduce the workout, sleep more, eat better foods, drink more water, and do the right exercises at the right time. A month later I couldn’t believe it when the first gains showed up. PE is exactly like bodybuilding: proper technique, healthy lifestyle and rest equals gains.

Update:

Still going. I’m a very slow gainer. I guess that’s to be expected. At the age of 36 the tissue is tough and I don’t have the healing of younger guys or the elasticity of older ones.

So my starting numbers were:
5.25-5.5 BPEL, 5.9 flaccid stretched, with a girth of 4.4-4.5. I’m up to 6.1 BPEL, 6.5 stretched. And 4.75 maximum girth.

I’ve been mixing up workouts a lot like you would with bodybuilding, but reading about the biggest gainers that’s not how they work. They seem to have a very fixed routine and just stick with it. I like hanging and pumping. With jelqs and manual stretches I get bored, but I appreciate their usefulness.

How did you guys go about figuring out your routines? How often do you change it up?

I don’t think it’s as much as them sticking to one particular thing as it is doing *something* steadily.

Now at 6.5 BPEL. I’m not tracking or working girth much. I want to get my length closer to my goal before I switch to more girth exercises.

My workouts still involve a lot of switching things up and doing whatever feels right that day. My usual exercises are hanging (10-12 lbs with a suction head, 30 minute intervals) and windmill stretches 4 seconds per rotation for about 300 stretches.

I do that three days a week. On other days I do an ADS for 2-3 hours at night.

I’m also trying a new idea for low tension ADS during recovery. Basically I keep a TINY amount of tension on during recovery (hanging 50-100 grams, or even just wearing a stealth). Just enough that you feel it.

This is making a big difference and I think it has to be with being a “grower”. I want to keep it out of that fully retracted state to encourage it to heal micro tears by building new tissue, rather than just fusing the two sides back together as happens when retracted.

The progress is slow, but it is moving. I think my age could be the reason for the slow gains. It seems like late 30s is about the worst time in life for PE. None of the regenerative ability of the younger people, more elasticity than the older ones.

I’ve been doing that too. Not as much as I should, which I need to address. I use the same sleeve and bell I use for hanging or ADS; the sleeve goes all the way down to the base of my shaft, and it’s just stiff enough to keep the shaft extended instead of shrinking back down when flaccid.

I’d noticed that when looking at the statistics pages, but I think a large part of it could be that 30-40 is when career involvement, children, time, and privacy are mostly the problem. There are enough of them to push the stats down.

Both good points.

I notice with the silicon sleeves it works great for that purpose, but the skin doesn’t get to breathe at all. That’s why I like the stealth. It’s fabric so it still breathes, even if not nearly as well as bare.

No matter what type of gripping thing you’ve got, noose or strap, if you want to grow for real you must master the time variable. Cellular growth comes with CONSTANT tension. That means: 24/7, and then microtears which is the other way of achieving growth needs way higher tension while less time intensive (however, longer times also affect gains positively).

Yes, sounds impossible, but it can be achieved using different techniques and gadgets to make it safer for the sleep hours.

If you want to be hung, you’ll have to intensify either on the tension or time variable.

New milestone! Hit BPFSL 7 inches today (a solid 7 at that, not a struggling barely touching it). Still some way to go to my goal of 8 inches BPEL, but we are definitely progressing.

Congrats on the milestone! Keep up the work!

From your last update, does this tiny amount of tension help ? It’s funny because I came to this conclusion after 6 months of using Phallosan. I have been using @andyj technique to apply tension during night time starting this week.
I am a grower too and did not see any major result for 6 months. I think it’s not because we are older (I am 44) but because we are grower and need to become shower to see some results and the tiny amount of tension 24/7 may help. Any other grower in da (thunder’s) place ?