A Deeply Disappointing Outcome

Initially when I posted, I had complained about not getting any gains. I ended up being an extremely slow gainer which I attribute largely to my age. At mid 30’s I lack the regenerative ability of younger people, and the general loss of tissue resilience that comes with older age. It seems like middle adulthood is about the hardest time in PE.

My gains finally started after about six months of work. This work was largely disorganized, but did involve many hours. I used mostly gadget stretching first, then went to manual stretching later to my first gains. I got no gains at first with a phallosan, but after the ball started moving with manual stretching it started to do more.

My numbers starting were 5.5 BPEL, 4.5 EQ. After about a year it was intermittent gains to 6.5 BPEL and 4.75 EQ. Long rest periods have been a big part of the gains. I would get discouraged and stop for a month, then start again and finally see something. I feel like these deconditioning phases have been extremely important to my growth.

I put vastly more focus into length and very little into girth right now. In accordance with a number of the most experienced guys on here I am going to keep pushing for my goal of 8 BPEL, then when I’m closer start a girth regimen to an ultimate goal of 8x6 erect.

My workouts currently are ADS and hanging based. ADS with phallosan or phallosan plus, hanging light weight about 10 lbs for 30 minutes via suction. I find that is all I need to feel “worked” after.

I will occasionally do JAI stretches (up to 300) Jelqing (usually only 35-50 but at a higher level of erection than usual starting. The 50% starting just did nothing for me). I also do occasional pumping and clamping. Usually only once or twice a month.

Basically it’s random. I listen to my tissue and do whatever feels right at the time. I’m very careful with safety and aside from a few newbie mistakes I haven’t had any injuries.

My current objective is try to manage a safe 24/7 constant stretch stopping only for discomfort and hygiene. I haven’t read about anyone successfully doing this yet and I see why. It sounds simple, but in reality is extremely difficult to pull off and requires a lot of conditioning first. I’ll be starting a separate thread about this.

My advice is to give it time to work and completely focus on either length or girth. Sure you can gain both at the same time but it has always made sense to me that you go after your desired length first and then girth.

The phallosan looks like a vacuum ads while the Phallosan Plus looks like a vacuum extender. Based off the numbers you gave it sounds like you have 144 hours extending time. One of my favorite threads about extender results the poster logged 1000 hours.
Extender-1000 hours-Results

A question I do have is have you done any manual routines before like the newbie routine or did you just jump into extending?

Have you measured your BPFSL and seen any gains there?

You should stop phalosan and pumping comletely for the moment.
If you are a newbie u will just overtrain…
3 hours is a lot and stretching too much is just useless, in addition if you pump you will just make it worse.

My advise :
- After your shower of the day you warm your cock with light stretching and warm water (until you get a plumpy cock well conditionned) i would say 4-5min
- Then jelq semi-erect (rigid but not too hard) and stimulate when you feel erection goes down.
I personally do 10 jelqs then masturbate > 10 jelqs masturbate > etc… untl i do 200 jelqs and get a chonky cock. ( just dry jelq and do them well )
- Then you can stretch your cock for 5 min ( dont stretch too much just enough to relax it and let it dangle.

* Do this 5 times a week for a month and see how it goes.
If your erections get bigger, then you can keep doing the same routine until you feel the need to do more jelqs and stretch. ( not too much )

You will gain a lot of time and feel a lot better trust me.
Complicating life with too hard routines is really not the thing to do, and i know what i’m talking about.
Be persistent and you will gain.

Wow, thanks to both of you!

To answer your question, I haven’t been doing any manual stretching. I guess I got sucked in by the marketing of the Phallosan and the promise of fast gains. I know they are a business after all, but I may have under estimated how .. Optimistic their own descriptions might be. I measured simply from the pubis to the tip, and girth from the center with a tailors tape measure. Didn’t bother with bone pressing. I didn’t collect flaccid measurements initially because I had so much turtling there wasn’t much to measure and no consistency anyway. That has definitely lessened so I may go back and get a measure for that now.

I read that 1000 hour article and a bunch of the replies. A lot of good info there! I clearly underestimated the time frames required by a lot. Good marketing ..

Alright, I’ll take both of your advice. I’ll shelf the pump and extender for the time being and do manual stretching. I’ll probably add them back in later but for now I’ll just respect that I’m a newbie and stick with the newbie stuff. I’ll check back in in another month and let you know how it goes.

Thank you again! I am genuinely grateful for the thoughtful and descriptive responses.

How did your newbie routine go?

Glad to help :) I understand the desire for fast gains, but slow is the way to go.

Make sure to log your Bone Pressed Flaccid Stretched Length as well with a ruler. That way you can see if you are making any flaccid gains as some people see that before erect length gains.

You are welcome brother, have fun !

Still nothing after a month of manual stretches and jelqing.

The skin is stretching out. But that’s it.

Did the thorough measurements including bone pressing and not even a tenth of an inch in length or girth.

Keep going. I didn’t see any gains for some time.

Are you using enough warmth during your sessions? I use a rice sock for 15 minutes or so just to give you an example. Good luck.

Hands down I get my best gains using a hot weat pack for 10 - 15 minutes wearing my ADS , I lye down on the couch or bed add some string to the ADS and attach it to my foot that way I can adjust the tension as my dick stretches from lightly to more tension by simply pushing down I then remove the weat pack maintain the stretch to cool down for 10 - 15 minutes , try that and measure straight away .Good luck

Did you incorporate heating? In the current times guys are using infrared and ultra sound heating.

After a certain amount of time in the PE game, gains will stall and appear to cease. By the point you may have gained an inch in length, 1.5” in length or even 2” of length. You may have gained an inch in girth. A small amount of periodic PE is required in order to keep these gains.

Look at your fat pad. Are you lean and can barely pinch a half an inch above your cock, or is there a one or even 2 inch or greater fleshy mound above your cock robbing you of visual length?

My warm up is usually 10-15 minutes with a microwavable hot pad or 5-10 minutes in a hot shower.

I get that there is a point when things slow down, but things have to start first. I haven’t even seen newbie gains yet. Has anyone else gone this long (about four months) before seeing any gains?

As for the fat pad my waste line has only changed by two inches in 15 years, so that’s pretty stable. I have no problem pressing back to the pubis for more accurate measurement. I use a tailors measure for girth.

Hello Jtems and welcome to TP :)

I will tell you this. I know about PE and TP for about 6 years already and for these 6 years I’ve been trying different routines.
My wish was always lenght so most of them were focused on stretching and etc that affect length. You wanna know how much length I’ve gained? Zero so far :) So don’t give up just after two months!
Everyone is very different, some gain fast, some slow, some gain with ordinary routines, some have to do more indepth and precise routines to gain.
I just read a thread from new guy and he gained more in 2 months than I did in these 6 years :)
The thing is, if you don’t see any gains with ordinary routines, you will have to search what is working for you because everyone is different.
I’ve probably found something for me 3 weeks ago. I started pumping again and I’ve seen tremendous progress so far. I’ve already measured more outside of pump and I am packing more of my pump and it is continuing. But sadly only in girth field, but hey! Still better than nothing, right? :)

So, don’t give up, read a lot of threads here, listen to vets and watch your body! Wish you good luck! :)

I may be considered a fast gainer, but most of my gains came after week 10. There is not an Easy Button with PE. I think staying consistent is key. I journal practically the same thing daily. Stay the course.