Duke's new journey

I measured yesterday and could not quite believe the 5.25” girth I was seeing. It even extended further towards the head than midshaft. I guess the EQ work is really paying off (probably the pumping but I had not pumped in a few days when I measured). I also stopped the slight pull forward for BPEL (seemed dumb after all and inconsistent), and still got a solid 6.75”. I am very happy with that for now, and will measure that way going forward. I guess the pulling part was just me trying to compensate for shit EQ induced by too much hanging without enough Kegels.

There might be something like an ideal Kegel:hanging ratio in order to maintain EQ as one works the ligs. I think I remember that Bib was Kegeling a lot. It also seems that a lot of recent good length gainers using the heated vacuum hanging technique report experiences with Viagra etc. I am wondering if it might be more common than people make it out to be that EQ goes down as one successfully lengthens the ligs.

I have kept doing the weighted Kegels and they are truly amazing. I now can lift 1kg for sets of upwards of 12 reps, and I feel a noticeable muscle mass increase in my "taint" area (where the contraction happens).

I had always put off clamping as something I would try after I was satisfied with my length gains. I experimented a bit with hanging again and noticed that I would instantly detect a decrease in my weighted Kegel performance. Also, it seems that the jury is still out on whether true tunica length gains are possible (I personally believe that 95% of length gains come from the ligs). So I decided to finally experiment with clamping.

I’m using a standard cable clamp and following basic recommendations. As for padding, I found that a cut-up piece of the end of a Fleshlight sleeve works perfectly. The TPE material is soft and elastic so prevents any major local stresses from the clamp’s rough edges, while still being deformable enough that it does not affect the performance of the clamp.

The way I approach this first experiment is I clamp for 2-3 sets of 10 minutes whenever I fell that my EQ is fairly high (according to my morning weighted Kegels). Then I let EQ recover until the next session. This usually means around 48h between clamping sessions.

So far, my midshaft EG is staying at around 5.5 even 48h after a clamping session, and balloons to 6" with the clamp on. I figure I will give this a few more weeks, than stop for 2-3 weeks, measure EG, and if it’s above my 5.25" previous all-time high, I will conclude that clamping works for me. From there, I guess I would try to squeeze out as much girth as I can get befor the gains slow down, before considering giving hanging another try with heavier weights and no heat (ditching the "hanging with FIRe" approach).

Measured 6 1/8" clamped girth last night, and 5 9/16" this morning with no apparent swelling. I feel like this is working.

Had tremendous EQ this morning during weighted kegels, and measured MEG at almost 5 5/8" (let’s call it 5 19/32"), despite the last clamping session being more than 36 hours away. I am starting to feel hopeful that my unit is in the "girth gainers" club.

Congrats on your gains through fir hanging, looks already promising. It is interesting to see how your BPFSL behaves - you see the elasticity, it decreases over decon time but BPEL does not.
What really amazes me is your EQ and the increase in size coming with it. Are you kegeling those 3-5 sets every day, do you have rest days?

I also did fir hanging with a vacuum hanger. Every time I try it, it works fine for over a week, but then I can’t get the vacuum to seal because of the elongation and therefore the circumference reduction. I would need a smaller silicone sleeve then.
I experienced a strong EQ increase and better morning woods while hanging, probably the healing process.
Now I did a break for a month and my EQ went down. That’s why I will try your weighted kegel routine, it sounds easy and effective.

Hey railfan,

Thanks! I also find it interesting how BPSFL behaves, same observation as you.

As for your EQ increase, my experience exactly mirrors yours: my first cycle, EQ went up while the cycle was active. I figure it was, as you say, the healing process of the ligs as they start getting stretched. Then when I stopped, EQ also went down significantly. What I found is that subsequent cycles, as I started to use higher weights and more sets per week, led to EQ decrease during the cycle. This was accompanied by great BPSFL gains (and eventually BPEL gains), which leads me to believe that beyond a certain elongation of the ligaments, EQ is bound to go down. In support of this theory (and I think I have stated this already), it seems that many big length gainers started using ED drugs at some point and report longer lengths when taking them.

I do not take rest days for my weighted kegels as I find that 24 hours is plenty of rest for these smaller muscles. I would say that nowadays I do something closer to 6-8 sets of 12-20 reps, in the mornings. What I do is I first get erect and get around 10 minutes of edging in - this helps in maintaining subsequent erections. Then I get to 100% or close to 100% erection by edging, perform one set, resume stimulation for around 1-3 minutes and perform the next set. You will notice that your erection noticeably goes down from each set. This is to be expected as these strong contractions of the PC muscle, in my experience, kind of mimic what would happen during an orgasm, so your erection naturally wants to subside afterwards. What also leads me to believe this orgasm-mimicking hypothesis is that when I perform normal edging, I either have to ejaculate or accept the fact that I will be extremely horny until I get a release. With the addition of the weighted kegels however, I do not get this effect despite getting very close to the PONR throughout the session.

Hope this helps, and feel free to ask more questions! I am convinced you will notice great EQ gains after a few weeks (maybe even less) of these. One last tip, start light: probably around 8 ounces would be a good starting weight, and you can warm up with even lower weights.

As for myself, the active stage of my clamping experiment is over. Now I will wait 3-4 weeks, measure MEG, and anything over 5.25" after that time will lead me to conclude that clamping works for me in the way I implemented it (which is pretty gently I would say, at least it did not lead to any painful sensation).

On a side note, I had developed another new metric a while back, which I call "usable volume". I take a 1 liter mason jar, fill it with body temperature water, get to 100% erection and carefully insert my unit in it to displace the water. This is of course done in the shower. I am careful to have the edge of the jar line up with my balls so that ball volume is not interfering, and the jar has to stay level of course. Then, I zero my kitchen scale with the partially empty jar, fill it to the brim again and there you have it, usable erect volume (1g water = 1mL). Of course there is going to be variability due to measurement error but I still think it’s a cool metric that takes the whole girth in consideration, head included, and only the NBPEL. I had measured it at 175 mL before starting the clamping, and measured it again yesterday (24h+ post-clamp) at 185 mL, suggesting a gain of 10 usable mL. I will measure it again after my 3-4 weeks break.

Last thing, I will keep doing the weighted kegels during the break. I am now basically addicted to these for life I think, they just make my life/sex life that much better. I think it’s also starting to make my orgasms more intense but I will need more time to confirm that.

I am now a week into my break from clamping. My EQ, especially when having sex, hasn’t been that high in years.

I feel that the girth is hanging on but I will not measure until at least another 2 weeks.

I paid more attention to my orgasms lately and I can say for sure that the weighted kegels has made them way more intense, and longer too. This is an exercise I don’t see mentioned a lot but to me it’s probably the best one I have tried so far in terms of personal satisfaction, even if it doesn’t really lead to size increase beyond just improved EQ. I am currently at 1.5 pounds for sets of 20 reps, which by itself is also quite satisfying to me. I don’t think many untrained guys can do that.

Yesterday I had my best weighted kegels (WK) training session yet. When EQ is really maximal, it seems that the muscles can be worked more. I did 6+ sets of 30 reps at 1.5 pounds. I also edged a bit last night and EQ was so good I felt like I had my 18 year old dick back (only bigger this time).

Another amazing WK session yesterday, broke my PR for a set of 10 at 2.8 pounds (could probably do 3 but I was running out of weights). Was able to up the 1.5 pound sets to 35 reps and could do 30 reps @ 2 pounds. I am really curious to see what my maximum potential is. I would be very satisfied with sets of 10 at 5 pounds.

My EQ dropped a bit yesterday, say from 9.5 to 9. Probably the heavy WK session, and 9 is still very high. For reference, before implementing WK my average EQ would be around 7.5.

I’ve been thinking about a rigorous definition of EQ lately and I realized that it would be better represented by a curve than a single number: x axis is arousal and y axis is hardness. An EQ curve that rises early (harder at lower arousal) is obviously better than one that raises later. I also think almost every man will have close to maximal hardness when close to orgasm, which means that one can easily fool himself by thinking only hardness while edging should be assessed. I’ll upload some graphs one of these days to make this clearer, maybe as a separate post once I am moved to Member.

Took a few days off from WK, and EQ has been pristine. Did a session this morning, one way that I judge EQ is the recovery time between sets - it has never been that fast. Also, last night when having sex with the gf, I came before her. This rarely happens and when it does, I keep going until she comes too. By that time, I usually have lost quite a bit of hardness, but last night it felt like I could just keep on going forever, without any noticeable decrease in hardness when I pulled out. This wasn’t a dry orgasm either, so I was pretty amazed that I could just go on after ejaculation. Probably another benefit of the weighted kegels.

Yesterday I had a further increase in EQ, it was hard to believe. I am starting to think that a medication I am slowly tapering off was negatively affecting EQ (non-SSRI antidepressant I started during the pandemic). In any case, I decided to squeeze another WK session in the afternoon for a total of 12 sets of 35 reps at 1.5 pounds.

Today EQ was back to more normal levels, probably as a result of the double workout, but still a solid 8.5-9. Decided to up to weight to 2 pounds, doing sets of 20 for now but feel like I will soon be able to up that. Still refraining from measuring girth but it according to my hand, it’s holding on. Also noticing increase in vascularity, which has been a good indicator of growth in the past. Only about a week until we know for sure!

If a mod if reading this, could I be moved to Member? This will be my 30th post and I remember reading that Member happens after 20 posts and some amount of time (probably 6 years is enough ;) ).

All the antidepressants have side effects, and some are hard to predict. Even if loss of EQ wasn’t listed, it doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

If you need to resume taking an antidepressant sometime, it’s something to mention to the doctor. Though there are only a few primary types, each manufacturer’s product may differ slightly from another’s, and work differently.

Thanks Andy! I experienced some loss of EQ last fall during my most intense hanging, and it was always in the back of my mind that it could be partially caused by the medication (vortioxetine). It was also a the start of a great period in my life, the depression was mostly pandemic-induced. I think somehow the fact that I wasn’t needing it anymore might have contributed to it affecting EQ more, because when I started it I detected no such effect. Anyway, now that EQ is at an all-time high, I am kind of eager to resume hanging and see what happens.

Btw, I haven’t forgotten about the long post I promised now almost a year ago regarding my air blowjob machine auto-jelq contraption. I think I’ll get some time to post this in the coming weeks, along with pictures of the setup of course.

As for my WK routine, still doing great, EQ at 9.5, just did 6 sets of 20 reps at 2 pounds and was able to dry orgasm at the end of the session despite the muscle fatigue.I find that these are very useful to get partial release and not be sexually obsessed all day after an edging session, but not lose energy/drive like what an ejaculatory orgasm does.