Gaining volume 2

Exceptional work, Kyrpa.
I just returned to PE after some years and will give US a go.
Already placed a order for a US device.

A IR lamp was the weapon of my choice for PE work outs back in the day.
Did any member try to compare both methods or show what temps were achievable by using IR ?
The original thread is very long.
It’s difficult to find posts about it by the forum search.

In phase 2 I was thinking of using a wine bottle that is filled with hot water and do fulcrums with a V Grip.
Do you think that set up could work ?
I like the idea of the v grip as I could heat up more shaft compared to a hanger or extender and the fulcrums would help to spread out the shaft and thin out the tissue.
Something like this: Fulcrum Stretches

I think I would be able to create the states of the shaft by hand that are needed and you describe so well in your protocol.

I got a very old Penimaster model too that is collecting dust and I am thinking of modifying it in similar way like you did if my idea is non sense.

In phase 1 I would use a cheap extender without springs and readjust every 5-10 Min to achieve the desired state.

In phase 3 I am thinking about of using a strong leg resistance band hooked on a door knob and my wrist to support and hold the stretch at maximal extension more easily and without tiring my hands to do them as efficiently as possible.
Back in the day could hold my high tension stretches for 2-3 min easily by using a leg resistance band.
It seems that in phase 3 cyclical repetitions should be more in focus and not the time under tension.
Do you recommend 10 stretches for 1 min in this phase or even more ?
What would be ideal ?

By the way, all phases would be supported by IR light.

Does this routine make sense ?

The first thread is really long.
Maybe it would be a good idea to create a thread about the best posts and ideas to make it easier for people who weren’t there when the idea of using IR for PE took of.
A best of compilation so to say.

CBateman did use IR. 1st period with great gains, 2nd period almost nothing:
Cbateman’s journey to perfection

But I can’t remember, if he measured temperatures.

It’s already been well documented that 40C+ is not achievable through IR. This doesn’t mean that you can’t see gains with IR. The expectation would be that you’d see a short term growth during phase 1 but then with much faster and longer plateaus than you would if using US. This is generally unavoidable because of what we know about in vivo tissue response to stress. IR cannot produce sufficient heat to mitigate tissue response.

How do you think that lines up with the success of 5.5squared who has gained nearly 2” in BPEL in around nine months using a FIR heating pad, low weight and 20m warm up 30-45m heated and 10m cool down for 5/2?

Not arguing your point at all, just curious to see your thoughts on it. Maybe he’s an outlier or maybe FIR heating pad is better than IR lamp?

Thanks for pointing me to this thread. It helped me to get some missing points about US straight because of the discussions in it.

Okay, that is good to know. I saw good gains with IR. I used a 150w lamp. I didn’t experience a plateau because I adjusted my routine with time. In my opinion IR is still better than not using any heat source.

I will take a look at his thread. Never heard about FIR heating pads. That is interesting.
There is a lot of new stuff going on since the last time I visited a PE forum.

I visited reddit too in the last days. They follow more "old school" routines.
One big difference is that in this volume protocol there are no girth exercises used at all.
Is there a reason why ? Already read that clamping does not work well with US.
But what about soft clamping ? Read about it too at reddit and I think it could work because you could dial it in that there is still some blood flow without loosing expansion.

Is there a reason that there are no jelqs or other girth exercises are used after the routine for example ?

A concept that I read about at reddit and I am interested in is shock loading.
You do a low intensity girth exercise before the stretching to improve the stretching.
So you do something like a squeeze exercise for 5 minutes.
There should be no conditioning happening because it is so short.
I might add this.

I am open for trying new things although I gained in the past with old fashioned approaches and IR light.
I think this protocol is worth a try because it is build on a lot of things that I experienced in the past, but weren’t common sense back in the day.

I used to do 6 weeks exercises for length with IR light and a extender with a heating pad for 3-5 days with 1-2 rest days and then 2-4 weeks of jelqing and squeezing every other day.
Then I went on a break for 4-8 weeks.

I did this for some time and it worked pretty well.
I always used the same exercises, but I needed more intensity with time.

The volume protocol seems a improvement over my old routine.
I should be deconditioned properly after years of inactivity.
Hopefully new gains will come fast with US.

For me it was the same with a heating pad, first period with decent gains, second period almost nothing

I just realized that I can search threads individually.
It seems that all my questions have been already answered in the past.
Sorry for derailing the new thread.

Please ignore my questions.
I got some time until my US machine arrives and will do research until it arrives.
So much to read.

Thank you guys for all the efforts.

What I think about the success 5.5squared is having, is all about how a well-executed hanging plan should work with an individual having no significant restrictions for gains up to a certain point, which he is not found yet. Continuing further he certainly would.

Putting there any seriously restricting variables such as strengthened TA, stiff septum, dorsal- or ventral thickening the story would be different.

You should take a look at Manko007 thread as well. He came from IR, did some parallel work as well. Unfortunately, he left with some unfinished business here.

I agree 100%. I had no history of PE before my first day of hanging with 12oz. Zero PE malpractice. There is a limit and I must be approaching it.

I have to say it does not take anything away, more likely I would take you and CBateman as a prime example of doing hanging as it should be done. In both cases, the emphasis is on the well-executed hanging protocol more than anything.
Basics need to be in place. Introducing heat of any sort won´t be the cure if the practices are incorrect.

Kyrpa, what’s your own plan for PE. Have you reached your goals or do you have a new? Do you feel that a bigger dick has change you life in any way?

Good questions. I have made similar myself all along the way.

Those who had read my thoughts earlier may have noticed that I have made it clear long PE career won´t be the case.
I am in favor of getting this all sorted as a project with an ending. We need to get it done and out of our system.
We make some great progress then we leave it all behind.

Lifelong torture of having a penis too small can´t be an option for anybody.
I don´t know if someone thinks I am the wrong person to say this but a small penis syndrome is a clinical term for a person thinking this way. It needs to be cured, in the best case scenario with PE gains, at worst without in conjunction with therapy.

That said I am curious to continue, as I think there can be BPEL and MSEG gains available.
More than that I have open questions floating around about the scientific aspects of all of this.

I have really never had perfect conditions for methodological work, but in the future runs this will be better taken care of.
Once I have everything in place it will be 1.5 years project at the longest.

Have anything changed? I can say it has. How I see myself has changed. This didn´t happen before I dated several women telling me some really encouraging things about my penis. I had occasionally heard some similar things before in the past but as you can expect this time I took it seriously enough. But the turning point really was with the present special woman, after seeing her having both of her hands on my shaft during a video of oral sex, I literally was awakened about how it looks now. Until this I still had the old eyes seeing myself differently.

If I should walk away now, I would be satisfied with what I have achieved.
But as there are more motivators left than that, like seeing how others succeed with the protocol they have adopted, finding some answers which haunt me scientific-wise, I will continue.

I don´t have any size goals left, other than the phrase I heard from once love of my life describing a large penis.
She told about this dick reaching over and covering the navel and being that thick her fingers did not catch.
This haunted me for decades, but guess what, not anymore. I am all cured.

I would be very satisfied with this happening, if not, still happy enough to continue with other interests than PE.

We cant thank you enough, you give hope for people who cant get gains. Ive myself had trouble and then I tried the methods and knew i could get length gains if I want.

I still hope some girth methodology is developed and i can get some girth gains once for all.

Thank you eivbisi, your words mean a lot. Let’s keep it on the tracks.