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Gaining volume 2

Gaining volume 2

Closing in one chapter and starting a new one.

This log is a continuation of what started in the first one, Gaining volume with Kyrpa.
It has grown into massive length and is already at the point that opening a new one makes sense.

The first one documents the first chapter of my PE path of almost three years, including the lengthy deconditioning break and the coming back rituals out of it.

This will be my second and final chapter. The first one was a very profitable and educational journey and hopefully, this will be as well.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

The Concept For Elongation

THE CONCEPT FOR ELONGATION

MAIN STAGES

DEVELOPMENT PERIOD
BPFSL elongation protocol with ultrasound-induced heat and sophisticated exercises.
BPEL development protocol with the emphasis on the volumetric expansion.

DECON Extended de- conditioning break for the total recovery of the tissue.

I am going to walk through few things learned and developed during the intensive project documented in the first volume.

The key elements of what I have learned due to the process are to be shared at the moments relevant to ongoing circumstances.
These introductions are aimed to be simplified to the bones and the principles are explained and discussed in detail in the mentioned log.
Of course, in here as well if there is a need for it, and I already started to think there will.

I tend to dig deep into the detailed info but this time I will keep it as simple as possible.
Not the easy part but I´ll do my best.

In this post, we will take a look into the first part of the development period.

BPFSL ELONGATION
To gain erectile length as a secondary outcome we need to primarily elongate the BPFSL permanently longer.

Making this happen we choose methods that allow measurable strain achieved during the exercises.
Strain being the driven factor of the workouts we will never use too large loads or too lengthy workouts.
Taking measurements to monitor BPFSL prior to and post-exercise, we can control the efficacy of the workout routine and the penile development.
Having enough rest for the exercised tissue is imperative.

As a result, we shall gain cumulative elongation on the BPFSL without stressing the tissue excessively.

The workout routine has been established as follow:
Phase 1 Conditioning stretch 30-40 min
Phase 2 Heated stretch 20 - 25 min
Phase 3 Cooldown stretch 10 min

For having the right amount of load, we need to determine the level we will use.
We need to determine the load which produces the best strain in the given time.
This can be done with a simple test increasing the load in intervals and measuring the BPFSL after each step.

Biological soft tissue has viscoelastic characteristics which appear as a stiffening due to the exercise-induced elongation or exceeding a certain threshold load.

At a certain strain or load increment, the tissue refuses to elongate any further that easily.

Phase 1 is intended to yield the maximal elongation potential at the toe region of the stress-strain curve of the penis.
For phase 1 we use load well under the stiffening point. We keep the exercise length long enough, the maximal potential elongation, the measured strain for this phase is achieved.

For phase 2 we choose the load at the threshold at the transitional region of the stress-strain curve, at the apex of the stiffening or slightly above.
The load used is enough to cause the stiffening reaction of the viscoelastic tissue at resting temperature.

We can move the stiffening point further using therapeutic heat, provided by the vigorous heating with the ultrasound therapy machine.

The heat alters the viscoelastic characteristics of the connective soft tissue of the penis.
The heat makes it possible to elongate the length further than allowed at resting temperature.
This will result in a strain by lower load and significantly lesser damage on the tissue otherwise needed for the given elongation. Impossible if operating at resting temperature.

Phase 3 is an important part of the exercise as when the priorly elongated tissue is held at that maximal extension while the tissue cools down to the resting temperature, the portion of the permanent lengthening is better than when left freely to cool down.

So, when elongating the penis to its maximum and keeping it cooling down at this extension, we are going to produce permanent lengthening bit by bit with every exercise.

Interestingly the results are seemingly similar when replacing this static extended hold with a manual stretching routine.

The cooling down is a narrow window, as it is done in 10 minutes.
Using manual stretching we need to use relatively short-duration stretches followed by a resting phase before the next one. We will need a minimum of 10 of these cyclical repetitions.

Anecdotal findings have engaged suspects the latter providing faster and better BPEL gains following the BPFSL gains.

WORKOUT CYCLE
Three workouts followed with two rest days.
Additional rest days can be introduced if necessary. Prolonged rest phases have not affected the momentum at all.

We can have extraordinary gains during the 5 days cycle and it seems that the tissue needs several days including the rest to grow for this elongation.

DURATION OF THE BPFSL ELONGATION STAGE

The gains will halt at a certain stage and trying to extend this phase is useless.
The BPFSL keeps gaining for a maximum of 30 to 45 days before starting to show diminishing returns.
At this point, the post-exercise measured BPFSL does not show any post-exercise gains anymore.

It is time to move on to the next stage.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I’m grateful for your knowledge.

You have some incredible gains, very impressive! What would you tribute your girth gains to? What is the routine you used for girth? Thanks in advance.


Start: BPEL - 5.7/5.9" (14.5-15cm) MSEG: 4.7" (12cm)

Current: BPEL - 18.5cm/7.3” | MSEG - 13.3/13.4cm/5.23”-5.27”

Goal: NBPEL - 18.5-19cm/7.3-7.5" x MSEG 14-14.5cm/5.5-5.7" | Current and previous progress threads Happypill's size & happiness journey | Happypill's journey |

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Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by happypill
You have some incredible gains, very impressive! What would you tribute your girth gains to? What is the routine you used for girth? Thanks in advance.

It is more complicated than just throwing in a routine.
The most of the girth has developed in the time BPEL developed at the highest rate.
Then diminishing and pretty much plateauing.

There where not any single factor to address the girth gains for.

I have not at any stage concentrated on girth only, more likely using conventional and more exciting methods to produce BPEL which is developing volumetric growth of the whole unit.

The exercise regimen has included pretty much all the variations of expansion causing and stretching the cavernous structures exercises.
Any of the methods has not been used long enough to make out any noticeable difference on the efficacy.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Excellent. Perhaps a synopsis on the application of US heating?


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Originally Posted by Buckfever
Excellent. Perhaps a synopsis on the application of US heating?

I am on it. At 1675 words of the 3000 estimate.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Really appreciate you trying to summarize all this in a simplified way Kyrpa.

Just a few questions. So can a complete newbie start this routine? What’s the perquisite to start this routine? How much conditioning/experience one must have before starting this?

Originally Posted by Meliodas_222
Really appreciate you trying to summarize all this in a simplified way Kyrpa.

Just a few questions. So can a complete newbie start this routine? What’s the perquisite to start this routine? How much conditioning/experience one must have before starting this?

It would be better if you already have accustomed to a wide range of PE practices.
So you would already master the equipment usage and recognize how your penis is responding.

The exclusive benefit from ultrasound use is in nutshell on this line already stated above:

“This will result in a strain by lower load and significantly lesser damage on the tissue otherwise needed for the given elongation. Impossible if operating at resting temperature.”
My approach has been build on the basis of harming less. Not abusing the penis.

From several months to a year is the amount of time you will need to understand how the techniques and your penile tissue works.

All desperation concerning penile growth needs to be washed away, you will need to adopt the approach of accepting the results as they come. Nothing can be forced out of your unit.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
It would be better if you already have accustomed to a wide range of PE practices.
So you would already master the equipment usage and recognize how your penis is responding.

The exclusive benefit from ultrasound use is in nutshell on this line already stated above:

“This will result in a strain by lower load and significantly lesser damage on the tissue otherwise needed for the given elongation. Impossible if operating at resting temperature.”
My approach has been build on the basis of harming less. Not abusing the penis.

From several months to a year is the amount of time you will need to understand how the techniques and your penile tissue works.

All desperation concerning penile growth needs to be washed away, you will need to adopt the approach of accepting the results as they come. Nothing can be forced out of your unit.

Makes sense Kyrpa.

Sorry if I am derailing from the context of this thread but what would be the second ideal heat source for a newbie then. IR lamp or is that also somewhat of an advanced method?

If you’re looking for efficiency, you’ll be fine with IR. Tutt has experimented with radio frequency, but that’s out of our league!

You can also try your luck with a preheated rice sock. I learned on my visit to India that there is a lot of rice there :) You can also use this rice sock in conjunction with IR. The simplified goal is to apply as much heat as possible without getting burned.

Heat is basically helpful in any exercise. So even with the newbie routine.

Once you start with US, then you shoot live rounds.

Originally Posted by Rocco25
If you’re looking for efficiency, you’ll be fine with IR. Tutt has experimented with radio frequency, but that’s out of our league!
You can also try your luck with a preheated rice sock. I learned on my visit to India that there is a lot of rice there :) You can also use this rice sock in conjunction with IR. The simplified goal is to apply as much heat as possible without getting burned.
Heat is basically helpful in any exercise. So even with the newbie routine.
Once you start with US, then you shoot live rounds.

In addition to Rocco’s advice I would focus on the load strain curve if I were you.
I would test what strain I can achieve cold (see what I did e.g. in Kyrpa’s old log) and let that be my guide.
If you achieve > 2.2% of strain cold with hanging up to 3kg, I wouldn’t worry about Ultrasound.
Because with a strong IR lamp you can definitely gain. At least I did (see my log).
You can be tremendously grateful to have all this knowledge laid out so eloquently.
If you came a few years earlier, you would probably be doomed and not gain anything in the worst case.


[before PE] Start BPFSL: 17.6cm (6.93 inches) start BPEL: 16.7cm (6.57 inches)

[currently decon until aug 2024] latest BFPSL: 21.2cm (8.35 inches) latest BPEL: 19.5cm (7,68 inches) latest NBPEL: 17cm (6.69 inches)

Click here to see my amazing US progress report (always updated!Kyrpa's methodology) ;-)

Originally Posted by midatlantic

I’m grateful for your knowledge.

Thank you. I am not claiming to have this all sorted out, but I like to share what I have found to be correlating with observations of the PE practices and the literature.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

New ground conquered (by a footprint)

What is a progress log for? Reporting progress of course.

Bit by bit the motivation is coming back and having to drag me forward I have managed to pull some workouts eventually. Being not 100% fit I am still happy to be able to produce something.

After 49 days and only six full cycles, I did manage to produce some progress. (see stats).
BPEL 21.7cm > 22.2 cm
BPFSL 23.4 cm > 24.1 cm

So the BPEL is still below the all-time high before the decon, but with the BPFSL I did manage to reach a new peak length.
This period(P6) started in a bad situation health-wise and during the first cycle I dropped one of the transducers (again) on the floor and it did not function anymore. I now have two broken US 2000 and a sole working one.

It was a hit against but in that situation, I thought to pull it through with one transducer only.
In the same mood, I decided not to use thermometers and judge with the feel only.

Using only one transducer splitting the shaft into three portions, heating each everyone 5 minutes, and then sweeping the whole unit for another 5 or 10 minutes.

I did use similar tactics, I reckon DocJ did, the sweeping motion compressing the shaft with a jelq-type grip.
Otherwise, the protocol was the same as usual. Conditioning stress relaxation, heating against the tight, and doing the cooldown.
Alternative execution though.

- Conditioning stretch with vacuum attachment, increasing the load from 1.5 to 2.4kg.
- Heated stretch with the clamp/noose in cyclical fashion for each portion from 2.4 to 3.7 kg. I did not count the cycles.
- The cooldown was the best part with the grippy attachment allowing to use of the load cell.
Cyclical stretches 15+5 second pull followed with the 15-second rest.
Went from 0.8kg to 4.6 kg during the stretch.

In conclusion, I would say, it is possible to do it without the meticulous approach, but the results are not the same.
I will try to extract everything out of the latter part of the period in a more focused way.

BPEL that it is with an intention to reach a new peak on it as well.

SOME DISCUSSION

After reaching the new peak with the BPFSL I did make some new observations.
During the heated stretch, the tissues become very soft and malleable because of the sweeping jelq-type movements with the transducer.
That made it possible to palpate the shaft very thoroughly and I found that at the peak elongation (post-exercise BPFSL 24.4 cm) the septum was no longer the restricting compound.
Until today it has been palpable as a thick triangular shape formation, but now it was soft as was all of the cavernous tissue and the TA surrounding it.

What I did find was the two dense strings on the ventral side and one on the dorsal side.

Ventral thickening as it becomes clear when doing kegel under the stretch, these strings did tension up within. Thin BC muscle striations go inside the ventral thickening along the shaft length.
At the dorsal side the classic dorsal thickening.
This will make me think about the strategies for the future as if I will aspire for more BPFSL the established protocol might need some tuning.

And I will not do it as sloppy I did this time next time around. And not with a sole transducer.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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