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Hey guys! I started off my PE Journey from Pegym (or the BioHacker now I guess) and am excited to join this community! I started off in Nov 2020 during COVID after finally deciding to just do it when for the past 10 years I just thought about doing it on and off. Procrastinating at its best! I always found a reason not to start, hence the username as a subtle reminder.

I started out with the JP90 Beginner routine that is so popular and recommended at the other site, finished it, took a few months off due to distractions, and then got back into it and spent another 4 months using the Quick Extender Pro with the highest tension I could handle. With what I know now after lurking in this community the past month I’m glad life got in the way 4 months into my extender journey.

My last day of extending was November 13, 2021, and I haven’t done any PE since. I finally decided to get back into PE about a month ago and as I was perusing the BioHacker forum’s Progress Logs thinking about what to do next, I came across CBateman’s Log. I remembered reading his log last year and found his methodology and principles intriguing at the time, but I had brushed it off for the “Pull hard, for a long time” extender methodology. I re-read his entire log there and was hooked this time around, and that led me to Thunder’s Place forum where I read 5.5Squared’s Log and summary, and then to Longerstretch, Kyrpa and Tutt’s threads and posts.

They’re approach was a breath of fresh air, with evidence-based methodologies I’m more confident in following. That, and the fact that I am a lot busier post-pandemic, I was struggling to figure out a way to fit PE into my day without having to sacrifice something else from my life. So following Kyrpa and Tutt’s principles, as well as CBateman and 5.5Squared’s user-friendly passive application made sense to me. I was hooked by the idea that I only had to spend 1 hour to possibly max 1.5 hours a day on PE, I can do that and move on with the rest of my day! That coupled with putting VALUE on rest days and Deconditioning, still allows me so much time to do other things.

I remember dreading having to extend for 2-4 hours a day. Along with manuals, with a push for no to 1 rest day a week, it took so much of my time. I would sometimes just not feel up to doing my routine or cut it short because of that. If anyone’s into fitness and nutrition, the biggest factor in someone’s success is their adherence. If it’s too hard, over-complicated, takes too much time or a combination of it, you’re probably not enjoying it and will be less likely to stick with it. Consistency is key.

In short, the “time-saving” and “science” aspect have me convinced this is the way to go. Enough blabbering.

I will be roughly following 5.5Squared’s approach. I will be starting very light and slowly adding weight in 200g increments every 2-3 weeks. Right now I am just going to hang 60 minutes straight until I reach a high enough weight where I can increment and add heat. So as of now it is prep with just a light weight and no heat. But the goal will always be to use as low a weight as possible, aka Lite Hanging as 5.5 likes to say.

My flaccid circumference slightly behind my glans is around 86mm. Punching that into Kyrpa’s Calculator and using it as a guide:
Stress-Relaxation Phase (0-0.1 Mpa) = ~1.4kg
Therapeutic Temp. Phase (0.17 Mpa) = ~2.3kg
Cooldown Phase (20-25% of Max Weight) = ~2.8kg (add about 0.50kg)

**I do wonder if I should keep my Cooldown Phase weight at 2.3kg, and lower the max weight for the Therapeutic Temp. Phase to keep in line with the Load Calculator. If anyone has a suggestion please let me know!

I will work my way up to those my ideal ranges of weights over the year. My goal is to not go past 3.2kg this year. If I can help it, to just stay within my ideal range, unless my flaccid circumference changes over the year, in which case I’d have to readjust my weight range.

Once I begin the full routine it will be 4-6 week Cycles with a 3-4 week Decon break.

I bought the Totalman Vacuum Hanger, have both the Thermedic Qi-point 3x6 FIR heating pad and the Totalman heating pad, and some Velcro straps. Got some precision calibration weights in all sorts of increments (50g, 100g, 200g), a plastic bucket and a carabiner.

My setup for now will be standing and hanging SD, carabiner attached to the vacuum cup, then the bucket attached to the carabiner. There I can add my calibration weights as needed.

I haven’t gained much from my previous PE attempts.

Here are my Beginning Stats (Nov 2020):
NBPEL = 5.25”
BPEL = 6” easy | 6 1/16 in or 6.0625” Maxed Out
BPFSL = 6.25”
*MEG = 4.625”
*I don’t like how I used to measure my Girth, so I’ve changed it and standardized the way I measure MEG.

CURRENT STATS(Aug 2022):

NBPEL = 5 1/16 in - 5 3/16 in
I had a bit of an issue maintaining an erection and getting a proper measurement out of this one, but it looks like I can’t really reach 5.25” like my beginner stat showed. I have gained weight since, and I just might have a slightly bigger fat pad now. Or it could have been how I measured in the past.
BPEL = 15.4cm easy | 15.6cm (sometimes slightly past) Maxed Out |
I’ve barely touched 15.7cm or 6 3/16 in when I’m near PONR and edging for a long time. I won’t count it in my Stats, but I wanted to mention it for future reference
BPFSL = 16.5cm
*MEG = 11.5cm-11.6cm (~4.5625”)
*Note that my MEG is smaller than my beginner measurement. I now measure pulling my foreskin back as far as possible and measuring the Mid-Erect Girth like that. I find it more consistent and easier to measure when the extra skin is out of the way. I also think it is a measure of my “True” Girth.

So I’ve gained approximately 2mm or 1/16th of an inch in BPEL since I first started.

My end goal would be the magic 8x6.

But I think if I could gain 1”-1.25” BPEL and 0.5” in MEG I would have a lot less anxiety about my penis at that point.
That would be around 7.25x5. I would feel pretty big with that!

So hopefully I can reach at least 1 inch in BPEL gains in the next year, and then work on girth then. But for now, we focus on Length!

It’s been a little over 8 months of an unintended Deconditioning break, hopefully I’ve given my penis enough time to heal from the trauma I caused it during my time extending at high tensions.

Looking forward to this new journey!

Aug 2, 2022
Pre-BPFSL = 16.4cm
Post-BPFSL = 16.6cm
Strain = 1.22%

60 mins @ 0.3kg no heat

I will be doing a 4 day Prep this week starting today (Tuesday-Friday). Just to get myself and my penis used to the routine and the weights. I count the bucket and the carabiner I used as part of the weight hanging from my penis. I weighed them both first using an American Weight Scales fishing scale, then more accurately with Digital Scale that measures to the tenth of a gram.

Bucket = 175.2g
Carabiner = 18.8g
Total = 194g

Rounded Up Total = 200g or 0.2kg
+ 100g Calibration Weight

FINAL TOTAL = 300g or 0.3kg

I chose to round up the weight to a nice and even number to keep things simple.

So with the Bucket & Carabiner weighing in at 0.2kg, I decided to add one 100g calibration weight to the bucket to a total weight of 0.3kg. I will hang for the rest of the week at this weight as a test and prep, then we will see next week about adding more weight.

I will also not be doing daily strain measurements this week. I just wanted to test it out today and see what would happen.

Welcome aboard, StartNow! It looks like you’ve sussed all the hard bits out already.

Don’t be shy about jumping in to conversations, and keep us updated on your progress!

I dont think you have a full understanding of the process, and I admit I am not an expert either. I’ll share a couple points I think you are missing on, or perhaps explain them in a different way that may help. I didnt see a schedule for how you were progressing your weights, but you did note that less weight is better. Starting at 0.3 Kg seems very low as your working range is 1.3-2.4 kg. Perhaps you are conditioning.

Heat is not beneficial below 0.1MPa
Heat is beneficial between 0.1MPa and 0.17 MPa (heat and stress together in this range can provide a 25% increase in elongation) (note 1)
You do not need (or want) to exceed 0.17 MPa as it becomes inefficient in that increasing stress yields less elongation than if stayed under 0.17MPa (note 2) (i.e., more effort gives less results)
Cooldown weight is critical to exceed last heated weight by 20% to counter the contraction of collagen tissue during cooldown. Still want to stay below 0.17MPa.

My understanding is you want to start your weight (intitiate the elongation or stretching) at or just below the 0.1MPa point. You can turn on your heat pads at this point as it takes ~10min to get to heat. Add weight to slightly pass the 0.1MPa point and move into the beneficial heat range. You need to be in the beneficial heat range for at least 30min and your cooldown phase needs to be at least 10min.

Keep weights as low as practicable but also in the range that provides elongation and gains. Monitoring the daily stress is an indicator of how effective your weight program is. Some iteration could be needed to determine best weights to use.

Reference:
1) The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth
2) The characteristics of the tunica albuginea revisited (p. 2)

Thank you AndyJ! I appreciate the warm welcome and I definitely will!

Thank you for answering my question in my first post 32Quarters! I wasn’t entirely sure if my Cooldown weight was supposed to stay within the range of 0.1-0.17Mpa. So I will change my ideal hanging range (once I work up to it) to:
Stress-Relaxation Phase (0-0.1 Mpa) = ~1.4kg
Therapeutic Temp. (Heat) Phase (0.17 Mpa) = ~1.9kg
Cooldown Phase (20-25% of Max Weight) = ~2.3kg (add about 0.4kg)

And yes I understand 0.3kg is very low compared to my ideal range. You are correct in assuming I am conditioning up to it. I’ve never hung before as well and am just looking to get used to the whole routine and making sure I’m doing it right and safely. I will start monitoring Daily Strain, incrementing weights, and applying heat once I get to slightly higher weights. I also understand Kyrpa’s calculator is a guideline and am just following what 5.5 recommended. Which was to figure out your ideal range, but then start at a lower weight range and work your way up to your ideal weight range. If I can achieve ideal strain at a lower weight range then I would want to take advantage of that as much as I can until I get to my ideal range.

My schedule is basically to increase weights by 100-200g every 3 weeks or so, it all depends on how my Daily Strain is progressing. But initially I might increase weights a little faster, like every week or so.

Thank you for your advice 32quarters. You’ve clarified some things for me and also helped solidify some of the knowledge of Kyrpa’s concepts that I wasn’t sure I had right.

Week of July 31-Aug 6, 2022 Summary
(Starting Aug 2. T-W-Th-F. 4 days on)

All 4 days I hung at:
0.3kg for 60 minutes.

I am just conditioning right now and getting used to hanging and the routine itself. I did not measure Daily Strain except on the first day. This coming week I will most likely increase weight.

Week of Aug 7-Aug 13, 2022 Summary
(Starting Aug 8. M-T-W-Th-F. 5 days on)

This week I hung at:
0.4kg for 60 minutes each day

I’ve increased the weight up by 0.1kg from last week.

I actually did an end of week Strain measurement:

Pre-BPFSL = 16.7cm
Post-BPFSL = 16.8cm (.9? Almost touching)
Strain = 0.60%

Looks like I’ve slightly gained in Pre-BPFSL, I’ll make sure to do a start of week measurement next week to see if that still stands. Either way, this is pretty cool. I remember a note I made to myself in my progress log at the Biohacker forum that I struggled to touch 6.5” BPFSL easily, it would just be almost barely touching the line. Today I also did a Pre-BPFSL measurement in inches as well and NOW I’m hitting past 6.5” and it was actually easily at 6 9/16 inches or 6.5625”, which when I converted my 16.7cm measurement to inches it was nearly spot on.

Aug 15, 2022

Pre-BPFSL: 16.8cm
Post-BPFSL: 16.9cm (17?)
Strain: 0.60%

10 mins @ 0.2kg
10 mins @ 0.3kg w/ heat
10 mins @ 0.4kg w/ heat
20 mins @ 0.5kg w/ heat
15 mins @ 0.6kg no heat (cooldown)

I’ve upped the weight by 0.2kg to a total max weight of 0.6kg for this week. And I have added incremental weighing and heat to the routine starting today.

Today was a trial and error day of sorts. I fumbled quite a bit throughout the routine. After the first 10 minutes in the routine, I added the first 0.1kg of weight but also realized I had to quickly wrap the Thermedic heat pad around my junk tightly and then turned on the heat. Which probably took me a 30-45 seconds to do. I then realized 10 minutes later after adding the next 0.1kg that I only had the heat pad at Lvl 1 heat. *facepalm*

So I quickly pressed the button and re-focused on my work on my laptop. Funnily enough, some time later, I again realized I only pressed the button ONCE so I was only at Lvl 2 of heat, so I pressed it again.

Once I got through the first 50 minutes my timer went off again. Time for the Cooldown Phase. I add my weight, but then realize that the pad didn’t feel hot anymore. For a split second I thought maybe my skin and I had acclimated to the temperatures, but then I looked down at the temperature control on the Thermedic pad, and the lights were off. I just remembered that the manual for the Thermedic heating pad says it has some sort of safety mechanism that makes the heating pad turn off when it’s been on for 30 consecutive minutes. A bit of a nuisance, but it can be dealt with.

I think I got used to hanging for 60 minutes straight without having to pay attention that I got way to focused on the work on my laptop and wasn’t paying enough attention to my hanging regimen.

So for tomorrow, things to fix and streamline the process:
1. First things first, pay more attention to the process, you haven’t gotten into the groove of your heated hanging routine yet. It’s your first day. Don’t distract yourself too much. Instead maybe just spend the hour with a podcast on or something, don’t delve too deep into work.

2. Wear your boxer briefs and take your junk out through the middle opening. So when you hang, your balls don’t get in the way and are more protected from the heat. I found it was getting slightly warm around my balls, and I saw this video on the hub of a guy showing how he hangs, and he showed that neat little trick. I think it should work here.

3. Pre-Wrap the heating pad so you don’t have to fumble around putting it on when the timer goes off. All you have to do is turn on the heat, and add your weight.

4. PRESS THE BUTTON 3 TIMES! Make sure you’re at max heat!

5. Set an additional timer/reminder @ 20 minutes into your heated phase, to quickly turn the heating pad off and on to reset it’s clock. To avoid the 30 minute auto-shutdown.

As for the post measurement, I did see 17cm two or three times, but I was nearly pulling my dick off to get that measurement. So I’ll stay conservative with it.

Aug 16, 2022

Pre-BPFSL: 16.6cm
Post-BPFSL: 16.7cm
Strain: 0.60%

10 mins @ 0.2kg
10 mins @ 0.3kg w/ heat
10 mins @ 0.4kg w/ heat
20 mins @ 0.5kg w/ heat
15 mins @ 0.6kg no heat (cooldown)

Things went a lot smoother today with the routine. But when I turned off and on the Thermedic pad 20 minutes into the heating phase, it still ended up turning off 25-30 minutes in. I had checked 25 minutes in, and sometime in the 5 minutes before I checked back the heating pad had turned off. Perhaps I clicked the off and on button too fast. Tomorrow I’ll turn it off, wait a couple seconds, then turn it back on. Hopefully it won’t auto shut down again.

Today I also realized I may have been tilting my pelvis forward during yesterdays measurements. I’m not sure. I measured so many times post workout and noticed if I tilted my pelvis forward more I could see anywhere from 2-4mm increase. Previously when I measured I was pull my junk to max tension, then tilt my pelvis forward as far as I can, then readjust back my pelvis to a more neutral position, then measure. That helped me find my forward tilt as a frame of reference and be able to bring it back and avoid it so I can stay in a neutral hip position. So I’m unsure of my measurements from yesterday.

This is a reminder to myself to stay in neutral hip position when measuring.

Aug 17, 2022

Pre-BPFSL: 16.6cm
Post-BPFSL: 16.8cm (.9?)
Strain: 1.20%

10 mins @ 0.2kg
10 mins @ 0.3kg w/ heat
10 mins @ 0.4kg w/ heat
20 mins @ 0.5kg w/ heat
15 mins @ 0.6kg no heat (cooldown)

I’m very consciously measuring now with the same neutral hip position again.

One thing I’ve noticed is that if there is any amount, if even a slight engorgement in my penis, pulling the penis is tighter to the feel and I can’t reach my full stretch. It happened during the Pre, and also in the Post workout. I had to let it subside until it was fully flaccid before I could get a good stretch and measurement going. Does anyone else have this problem?

And is it okay if I am not measuring exactly right after my hanging routine? I have to remove the tape which takes a minute or two, and then waiting for the engorgement to subside and my penis to become fully flaccid often takes anywhere from 2-5 minutes. Then I can actually measure my Post-BPFSL. I’m assuming the Strain or displacement you cause to your tissues during a heated hanging routine doesn’t just dissipate within minutes after finishing it. But I often overthink these kinds of things like I’m doing right now haha!

The Thermedic Pad FINALLY didn’t turn off after 30 minutes of being on. This time I turned it off and left it off for 5 seconds, then turned it back on. It stayed on for the rest of the heated phase.

The heat wasn’t feeling too hot during the first 10-15 minutes, and I felt it was because the heat pad wasn’t wrapped around tight enough. So after 2-3 adjustments I finally got it really snug around my shaft, and I definitely felt more heat. I’ll have to experiment with using sports wrap as I have read another user on here has used to success, right now I’m using a velcro strap like 5.5. I also have the Totalman Heating Pad and am wondering if it would work better, but I only want to change one variable a week if I can. Either weights, heat source, time under tension, etc.

Aug 18, 2022

Pre-BPFSL: 16.7cm
Post-BPFSL: 16.9cm
Strain: 1.20%

10 mins @ 0.2kg
10 mins @ 0.3kg w/ heat
10 mins @ 0.4kg w/ heat
20 mins @ 0.5kg w/ heat
15 mins @ 0.6kg no heat (cooldown)

I got a good tight wrap around my shaft with the heat pad today, and I definitely felt the heat, especially the last 15 minutes.

I did notice a little red pin prick dot on my glans later in the day. It was probably due to my excessive measuring of my Post-BPFSL today. I had too tight of a grip and was pulling too hard too many times, I’ve probably burst a little capillary. It doesn’t hurt or anything, I’ve read about it before when I first started PE, but this is the first time I’ve ever gotten one. I believe it’s called petechiae. A tiny bruise. I’ll be less overzealous with my measuring for tomorrow, and then I’ll have 2 days off for it to hopefully go away.

Aug 19, 2022

Pre-BPFSL: 16.7cm
Post-BPFSL: 16.7cm
Strain: 0%

10 mins @ 0.2kg
10 mins @ 0.3kg w/ heat
10 mins @ 0.4kg w/ heat
20 mins @ 0.5kg w/ heat
15 mins @ 0.6kg no heat (cooldown)

I said I was going to be less overzealous with my Post-workout measurements. But after measuring and not reading any increase in BPFSL, I ended up measuring more than 5 times to be sure. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get past 16.7cm no matter how hard I pulled haha.

We’ll see how my Pre-BPFSL measurements are next week. I was planning on increasing the max weight for next week anyways and it looks like I may have to.

Aug 22, 2022
I felt tired, stressed, and my penis felt tight, so I decided to take another day off. I did, however, measure my BPFSL. The disappointing setback in the measurement also contributed to my day off.

BPFSL: 16.3cm

Aug 23, 2022

Pre-BPFSL: 16.4cm
Post-BPFSL: 16.6cm (.7?)
Strain: 1.22%

10 mins @ 0.40kg
40 mins @ 0.65kg heat
15 mins @ 0.80kg no heat

Starting this week I increased the weight up another 0.20kg for a total max weight of 0.80kg.

I’ve simplified the weight loading process for now as I read on another person’s progress log, 5.5 mentioning that incremental loading isn’t as necessary while you are using light weights.

5.5Squared - Hanging With FIRe Part 2

I am still using pretty light weights and am still below my 0.1mPa weight. Looks good so far and my strain is just about the same as last week, although I am using slightly heavier weights.

I did clock in a Post of 16.7cm more than a few times and even a touch of 16.8cm two or three times. But I am being conservative with my measurement posting today as I was conservative with my Pre measurement as well. My penis definitely felt way more easier to stretch during my post workout I feel the increase in weight is definitely helping.

The small red dot on my glans is nearly gone and has faded significantly.