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The characteristics of the tunica albuginea revisited

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

I have not yet trialed, but I would estimate a minimum of an additional 30 to 60 minutes stretching needed the additional 1% to occur. For getting through the toe and heel regions we need 30 minutes of 1- 3.4 kg incremental loading before the elastic region stretch to even start.
It does not sound tempting as the same amount of strain can be achieved with deep heat application by no more than 3.5 kg load in 20 minutes.

I wonder if this is what I stumbled across with my approach to lite hanging.


BPEL: 5.5" --> 7.9" ; BPFSL: ~5.6" --> 8.5"

Progress log summary: Hanging with FIRe

"Going hard, fast and heavy is all against the scientific knowledge of tissue expansion or elongation." - Kyrpa

Originally Posted by Buckfever
“This equals for flaccid 120mm circumference-based TA cross-sectional area resulting in load increment from 3.4kg to 9.9 kg. Such a significant increase in loading means that as the TA is not purely elastic the visco-elastic properties adding the time aspect into the play.

I have not yet trialed, but I would estimate a minimum of an additional 30 to 60 minutes stretching needed the additional 1% to occur. For getting through the toe and heel regions we need 30 minutes of 1- 3.4 kg incremental loading before the elastic region stretch to even start.”

Just to clarify are you suggesting there is going to be a benefit to incremental loading past the initial 30 minutes? That the incremental loading needs to be carried out past the 30 minutes for an additional 30-60 minutes in the load range of 3.4 to 9.9kg? Or simply that the 1-3.4kg of loading needs to be carried out for a longer time period of between 60-90 minutes?

Hey Buck,

Glad you woke up. I am not suggesting ever going past the loading stage at the level of the transition of the heel to the elastic region. Staying at the load though won´t necessarily yield more strain.
That is how elastic material behaves, there is possibly some extra elongation left as the visco-elasticity subsides but not much. This of course at resting temperature. Elevating the temperature the concept changes.

That load increment of 3.4 to 9.9 kg is determined by the material´s elastic modulus (E) . At this point, once the toe and heel regions have been passed, it determines the amount of elongation.
Elastic behavior is proportional, elongation is proportional to load increment. It was laid out as an example of what to expect when entering the elastic region. TA is stiff, it does not stretch as easily as it did earlier at the toe and heel regions.

Using a low strain rate application under the 0.17MPa (in my case 3.4kg) it still takes a minimum of 30 minutes to reach the transition point of heel to elastic region.
There are few examples already documented of the same load not yielding extra strain during an additional 20 to 30 minutes.

Molding the visco-elasticity with heat provides extra strain as it is tested and documented by several users.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by 5.5Squared
I wonder if this is what I stumbled across with my approach to lite hanging.

No,I can´t say that I have. I’ll look at it.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I’m very impressed with your work, and appreciate immensely your dedication to the cause! I assume this is related to hanging or using an ADS? I presently don’t hang- maybe I should.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. Using the calculator, I can determine the load based on my size to reach that stress level of .17 Mpa. It will take about 30 min under that load to reach that toe section of the graph. I would need to incrementally increase that load for at least another 30 min or keep the initial load and apply heat. Does that sound correct?

Thanks

I’m just saying that if you start your own PE site with just the information provided in this thread, you won’t have many members.

Now as supplemental info to this established site that’s fine. If guys want to do the math and give it ago, have at it. I can see it has drawn interest with guys who have previous PE experience. Whether or not the math equations will enhance results remains to be seen.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

Originally Posted by gprent
I’m just saying that if you start your own PE site with just the information provided in this thread, you won’t have many members.

Now as supplemental info to this established site that’s fine. If guys want to do the math and give it ago, have at it. I can see it has drawn interest with guys who have previous PE experience. Whether or not the math equations will enhance results remains to be seen.

Frankly it was too long to read and I lost interest.


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Originally Posted by Wespe
I’m very impressed with your work, and appreciate immensely your dedication to the cause! I assume this is related to hanging or using an ADS? I presently don’t hang- maybe I should.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this. Using the calculator, I can determine the load based on my size to reach that stress level of .17 Mpa. It will take about 30 min under that load to reach that toe section of the graph. I would need to incrementally increase that load for at least another 30 min or keep the initial load and apply heat. Does that sound correct?

Thanks

Hello,

Thanks, Wespe,
I have some time left to put in all this, but the clock is already ticking for departure.

If you have looked into what we have been doing with the heat during exercise you can find that entering the elastic region only slightly is enough.
The most important thing is that the toe and heel region is passed through with as low a load as possible .
As a key rule, 0.17MPa is the maximum stress for the task. And more importantly, the slow approach is crucial for tissue elongation.
I have used a load below that 2.5 kg( 0,12) MPa being enough to pass through in 30-40minutes.
Applying it straight on, it would be better if having a stress-relaxation type setup. If using a continuous loading type setup, like a conventional hanger, incremental loading from 1 to max kgs is recommened.

We don´t know how much exactly of the elastic region needs to be reached but with the heat, we have been able to yield an extra 1% with low loads.
This has produced great gains.

Look into a reply to Buckefever for additional info concerning the elastic range strain.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by gprent
I’m just saying that if you start your own PE site with just the information provided in this thread, you won’t have many members.

Now as supplemental info to this established site that’s fine. If guys want to do the math and give it ago, have at it. I can see it has drawn interest with guys who have previous PE experience. Whether or not the math equations will enhance results remains to be seen.

You have missed it all. More likely you never did even read any of it.

I am not looking for taking over. You and your friends can keep keeping the gate as long as you like.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I downloaded your calculator and entered my flaccid circumference of 97mm/9.7cm. The suggested loads of 2.2kg and 2.6kg are exactly where I have been working!

Thank you for your dedication!


BPEL: 5.5" --> 7.9" ; BPFSL: ~5.6" --> 8.5"

Progress log summary: Hanging with FIRe

"Going hard, fast and heavy is all against the scientific knowledge of tissue expansion or elongation." - Kyrpa

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Hey Buck,

Glad you woke up. I am not suggesting ever going past the loading stage at the level of the transition of the heel to the elastic region. Staying at the load though won´t necessarily yield more strain.
That is how elastic material behaves, there is possibly some extra elongation left as the visco-elasticity subsides but not much. This of course at resting temperature. Elevating the temperature the concept changes.

That load increment of 3.4 to 9.9 kg is determined by the material´s elastic modulus (E) . At this point, once the toe and heel regions have been passed, it determines the amount of elongation.
Elastic behavior is proportional, elongation is proportional to load increment. It was laid out as an example of what to expect when entering the elastic region. TA is stiff, it does not stretch as easily as it did earlier at the toe and heel regions.

Using a low strain rate application under the 0.17MPa (in my case 3.4kg) it still takes a minimum of 30 minutes to reach the transition point of heel to elastic region.
There are few examples already documented of the same load not yielding extra strain during an additional 20 to 30 minutes.

Molding the visco-elasticity with heat provides extra strain as it is tested and documented by several users.

I figured as much but just wanted to make sure. One thing though during the maintenance I have played with multiple sessions where there is at least 30 minutes between sessions and have found additional strain available during the second session. Any idea what that is?


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Impressive Kyrpa

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
You have missed it all. More likely you never did even read any of it.

I am not looking for taking over. You and your friends can keep keeping the gate as long as you like.

I know you are not looking to take over. You are a long time respected member with lots of knowledge.

I want lots of guys to give it a go and report back.

Edit: OK, I see what happened. When I said you could start your own site… I wasn’t telling you to leave here and go start your own site. It was a hypothetical that a site that presented PE where you begin by using mathematical equations, the complexity of the language would turn some guys off. After all you show an equation where the end result shows you should hang with 5 pounds, is a lot easier if you just say, beginner hangers should start with 5 pounds.

You know this phrase: Keep it simple stupid. And no, I am not calling you stupid. It’s just a saying.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.


Last edited by gprent : 07-21-2021 at .

Originally Posted by gprent
I know you are not looking to take over. You are a long time respected member with lots of knowledge.

I want lots of guys to give it a go and report back.

We are cool with it. It just frustrated that the content was completely left aside and the approach was straight on labeled as a optional calculator handling.

There will be reporting back I am sure.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Please see my edit to post #27 above.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

Originally Posted by gprent
Please see my edit to post #27 above.

Yes just read it and again we are cool with it.

Most of the things I am talking about, and interested in the first place involve some knowledge of the PE for getting involved in the conversation.
If the reader does not understand what we’re talking about I recommend gathering some basic knowledge.
I am not at my best dealing with the newcomers, I always tell them to start with the established practices as there are more capable advisors on the board.

The content of the research attached includes ground-level cornerstones missed in the scene for decades.
There is a lot of wrongdoing because of this missing information. Mostly on hanging, and in some aggressive maneuvers.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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