Zero Gains in One Year

Hi everyone! I’m here looking for some fresh perspectives on what I can do to gain. I signed up at PEGym last year and have been lurking here and MoS as well. So far, I have made absolutely zero gains in either length or girth. I have tried almost everything except for clamping (which I don’t properly fit) and O-bends. The routine I’m on now was created by myself and Big Al from meCoach, and I have been on it for a week, after experiencing no gains in the past few months even with his great help. I’m starting with about 5.5” BPEL, 5” NBPEL, and a hard-to-stomach 4” MEG. The length doesn’t bother me that much. The girth does.

I’m here because after a year, I should have gained something. If it is acceptable by the rules and it is requested in this forum, I will link my progress log from PEGym. It really isn’t hard to find though.

So, is my first goal of maybe 6 x 4.5 even achievable anyway? Why does it feel that I’m screwed by PE? I have thought about PMMAs, but I’m only just turning 20, so I do not even think I would be able to get them until I turn 21. I am saving so that could be a backup plan if necessary. I’ve seen mistergrey’s meltdown thread, but I’ve also seen a lot of the others in that thread turn their pain into gains. After a year, do I have any hope of doing the same?

Right now, my routine is basically progressive jelqing. The cycle will conclude on May 31st and I will assess how much I’ve gained. I am doing 280 jelqs tomorrow (dry), and will finish the cycle at about 500-600 jelqs. I also have a 7 minute warmup and warmdown, with edging and kegels.

Thank you guys for any piece of advice you can provide for someone who feels like he’s been let down with PE so far!

What does PMMAs stands for?

Polymethyl-methacrylate. They are a non-surgical girth injection. It is typically not recommended that anyone 4.25” to 4.5” MEG or beyond get them, but it is said that it should be seriously considered for anyone 4” MEG or below. That would be where the benefit outweighs the risk, because you (in this case, I) really don’t have much to lose.

Yeah well, there are many variables why it might not have worked for you.
If you feel no impact at all then you are not doing enough.
If you are already doing much then you might have done too much and need a break.

What are your signs after it and next day ? PI ‘s ..

The gain zone is rather narrow to hit and changes all the time. We are not supposed to grow if we are adult.
Jelqs alone are not enough to gain girth imo. ULI’s, bends, pumping, horses etc. are more targeted.

Tryingmybest1, the amount of Jelqs for now are 280 did you build up to that amount? Also how long are these cycles you talking about?

From my pov I see you don’t Stretch also the amount of Jelqs are way to much to keep you off from seen good gains.

I have felt everything from no real difference at all after a session to real pain after a session. I’ve done ULI’s, pumping, and SSJs in the past and ended up with mainly negative PIs. I am trying now to cut out PMO and I have been seeing some good signs, just none that convince me that I am on the right track for sure. I’ve been taught that 6 weeks should be a good indicator whether or not a routine is working. That gain zone has been narrow enough for me to miss for a year and a bit more!

I have built to that amount from 200. By the end of my cycle I should be at about 500-600. Stretching resulted in too many negative PIs, but if it comes down to it, I would return to them and completely focus on intensity.

Thank you to the two of you in this thread helping me out right now! It’s pretty nice to see some fresh perspectives and know that there’s still a lot I can try before resorting to needles and plastic!

If you see good signs then you should focus on doing what creates them. If you have a good sign note it and repeat doing that. If you have a bad sign immediately react and adjust for next exercise.
You should feel something but not pain. Gain zone is between these two “extremes”.

If you did pumping for example, when and which negative PI ‘s did happen?
It’s quiet easy to at least not get negative PI’s with pumping. If you get negative PI’s with 10minutes @ 5hg then you cut back minutes or hg until you get positive PI ‘s. If you feel nothing with 5 minutes @2hg you increase time and/or hg until you feel some intensity.

Does heat help you or not? Maybe you need more heat even between jelqs.

Needles and plastic sounds stupid and then you better do nothing, seriously.

Dicker,

What brand of pump(s) you own?

I’m not understanding your last sentence. If you’re saying injections sound stupid, well, not to someone who’s very below average girth. It sounds like an option to me. I’m giving it my all here to not have to, but if it came to that I would.

I use the Bathmate now but not recently. It seems that progression brings on negative PIs in any case. Less is more is no better, bringing on zero gains. That’s why it’s tough for me. It’s lose/lose. So try sensible pumping and back off at negative PIs is what I’m getting from this comment. Thank you!

Also, I want to make it clear that I am not pumping this cycle, just jelqing. I have used Bathmate in the past month.

Right! There is a zone between “not enough” and “too much”.
Avoiding signs of “not enough” and “too much” while trying to get substantial expansion..

The BM is a great tool for warmup light pumping prior to girth work. Very imprecise for intenser pumping. (I use a thickwall with a gauge)

I understand your desire for more girth. Obviously injecting foreign agents into a dick is always risky and I think not worth it,.. that’s what I meant to say but of course it’s your body.

I’d be interested to hear a history of what you’ve tried, as far as routines go.

I’ve tried many routines, including some pumping routines, PESG’s routine from PEGym, an SSJ-centered routine, a ULI-centered routine, even did hanging for a few days but got too many negative PIs. Getting back to jelqing is definitely showing more positive PIs than before.