Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning.

I started a poll.
marinera - PE And Permanent Injuries

Owen, try understanding that we are not selling anything, we push for caution, but, on the other way, we can’t spread paranoia or say things we know are false. Basically, honest information is what we pursuit.

Re-reading this thread I see I may have come off like an ass and condescending to people. I apologise. It was sincerely not my intention. I just dispensed with the pleasantries to jump straight into discussing this important subject.

Marinera, honest information was all I gave you.

Dude, sugar coat it all you want: It is seriously uncool to tell someone that they are going to burn in hell lest they convert to your views!

Your last handful of posts have been disingenuous. Obviously, from your writing, you are not a dumb guy. Yet you can’t see why your style might strike any as troll-like? Right. :rolleyes:

Well, this thread has 2,500+ views but only 20 people voted in the poll I linked in #16. How this come?

I’m quite surprised that no one has asked how many beers you had, of what quantity in total, and over what period of time. From looking at the broadcast time online, it was originally broadcast at 10pm, and the section on jelqing is 30 mins into the show (minus adverts). I know this seems an odd thing to ask with the low number of jelqs that were applied, but alcohol could seriously impair your judgement, and ability to feel pain during the process.

“Extreme Male Beauty episode 2” is available to view on the internet (I do not wish to post a link for copywrited material that is not posted by the owner). The section on jelqing starts just after 30 mins of the show and is very short. The image shown of him silhouetted doing the exercise is incorrect, he rides the grip over the glans, and does not place the second hand before the first hand completes his incorrect stroke.

@ Iamaru

I was just appealing to his sense of responsibility.

How would you have me behave to not seem like a troll? What is it about my writing that you think of as trollish? When it comes members who have something to say about injuries, troll suspicion seems unavoidable. Back then deeppuple9 was banned and his thread eradicated. Now we all know he wasn’t a troll.

@ Marinera

I don’t think the poll is likely to show anything conclusive. When it comes to guys with heavy injuries, even IF they ever visit the forum again, it’s hard enough to get them to answer private messages related to their condition, let alone participate in polls. It is just not something that would interest them. There’s one more issue too. You might have guys with one post filling out your poll. Naturally they will all be suspected of trolling (and rightly so). I am fairly sure that “dr. Lin” has his minions go on forums doing subtle advertising. I also know a couple of guys that had a serious injury but never posted in the forum about it. Deeppurple9 himself said that he had many private messages from people in the same situation. I wouldn’t know if he was exaggerating, but I don’t think he was lying.

“I was just appealing to his sense of responsibility.”

Whose sense of responsibility?

“How would you have me behave to not seem like a troll? What is it about my writing that you think of as trollish? When it comes members who have something to say about injuries, troll suspicion seems unavoidable. Back then deeppuple9 was banned and his thread eradicated. Now we all know he wasn’t a troll.”

How about dropping your attitude, that would be a start. You keep the edge on your posts and you won’t be around long to help your cause. And as for deeppurple being banned, I think there might be more to his story than you are aware of.

Having seen many polls, I know that unikely they will show anything conclusive. But, basing on your post, it seems that this point can’t have any proof. We just have to believe to your words, like a dogma. I think those who had permanent damages are the ones more motivated to post and partecipate in polls. They are generally very vociferous. The OP of this thread, for example, hasn’t he started another thread with the very same topic? - which is forbidden, btw.

People who had (or believe they had) damages post more than average, believe me.

It is kinda strange that they direct all their posts to you and only you and aren’t interested in speaking with anybody else.

Have you noticed that many of this people adamantly persuaded that they got a permanent injury never have gone to an urologist?

Have you ever been touched by the suspect that some of them could have this?

An inquirying and not preconceived mind should consider all odds, right?

That thread is stuck at the top of the Newbie Forum, where it has always been.

I believe Owen33’s cause is just to warn guys to be careful, and any attitude is probably just what you’d expect from a guy who has suffered for months with an injury. I also believe that Lin-pill-pushing trolls do have an agenda, and that this forum is trying to be vigilant against them, while at the same time allowing people to post about injuries and warnings. Personally, I’m on the fence while experiencing the benefits of some moderate gains and the downside of my current “soft glans” crap which I can’t quite figure out. It is definitely real, not imagined, yet does not impact sex and hard erections. But since it hasn’t healed, continuing PE at the risk of making it worse is troubling. I can’t quite figure out exactly what the extent of members with “injuries” is, but once you start looking (after experiencing an injury), you tend to see more than you would like. And some of them are long-time members with many posts, so trolling in those cases, while possible, is doubtful.

It might be what you would expect, but it is not something we have to tolerate.

Man, you’re quick. Wasn’t even finishing editing my post :-) . Understood. This is a great forum.

I like Owen and I hope we can calm this whole situation down and actually do something constructive with these gentlemen. Owen does need to realize that a lot of the guys claiming injuries were trolls and that is the reason most injury threads are looked at with suspicion.

And as to the guy that did 20 jelqs and gave himself a permanent injury, well sorry, but I am just not buying that.

@ Thunder

“Whose sense of responsibility?”

I believe the member in question was Lampwick. But it should apply to everyone. I think it’s “seriously uncool” to be offering advice when it comes to something with stakes this high if one is not 200 percent certain. That requires re-examining attitudes people may have unconsciously acquired over the years in contact with a subject (PE). Just my two cents.

“How about dropping your attitude, that would be a start. You keep the edge on your posts and you won’t be around long to help your cause.”

I have dropped my attitude ever since I apologized. Wait and see. :) And if you ever plan on banning me, please tell me beforehand in clear words and I will STFU.

“And as for deeppurple being banned, I think there might be more to his story than you are aware of.”

Care to share?

Still, my point remains the same: people with injuries are likely to be taken as trolls. I can definitely understand that, but I think in the course of things some innocent guys suffer the consequences. For example MrNilsen was banned. Three years later he is in contact with people with ED on other sites, and it’s not the kind of contact you’d see on the forum right away. If he’s a troll, he has some serious dedication and subtlety.

“That thread is stuck at the top of the Newbie Forum, where it has always been.”

Didn’t see that, sorry. I thought the upper part of the screen were just some commercials. That’s fair enough.

“I like Owen and I hope we can calm this whole situation down and actually do something constructive with these gentlemen.”

I’m all for constructive. My state is not nearly as bad as the state of some of these guys, so while I have seen the other face of this, I am still motivated enough to be constructive about this and not withdraw into myself. I hope if I have the time in the next few days, I will do some research on injuries and give the links and my opinion in the Warning thread, and that’ll be it from me.

@ Marinera

“But, basing on your post, it seems that this point can’t have any proof. We just have to believe to your words, like a dogma.”

I see what you mean. I would be thinking the same in your position. See what I wrote above to Thunder.

“It is kinda strange that they direct all their posts to you and only you and aren’t interested in speaking with anybody else.”

This is the first time I hear of something like this. I haven’t noticed this and I don’t think it is true. I often don’t even get my private messages answered.

“Have you noticed that many of this people adamantly persuaded that they got a permanent injury never have gone to an urologist? Have you ever been touched by the suspect that some of them could have [hypochondria]? An inquirying and not preconceived mind should consider all odds, right?”

Definitely. I’m sure even when someone has an injury, the mental anxienty is enough to make their state worse and in fact unclear. But still I think a large part is organic or physical. Bear in mind that visiting a normal urogist is not likely to get you far. Yataghan50 visited 7 urologists (I think) and got no help, but eventually had his problem corrected by someone from a different field. OsQ as well. I have read about a lot of people with exactly the same experience.