Originally Posted by Owen33
Yeah. The old “you could die crossing the street” argument.
Go ahead and dismiss it, but to be intellectually honest, in a given period of time in a random sample size of men, some will experience a diminution of erectile ability.
Now take a random sample of men doing PE over a given period of time. One would expect that some of them will experience a diminution of erectile ability. That does not mean that PE caused the diminution. Correlation does not equal causation.
On the other hand, to be fair, if you’re doing things to your dick beyond the standard forces of masturbation or intercourse, there is a greater chance of injury.
Originally Posted by Owen33
This is what you don’t realize until you’ve got permanent damage. There are many, many guys who’ve had damage from PE. Possibly more than those who gained at all, and definitely more than those who’ve had any gains that don’t require “maintainance”. Only about 1 in 10 injured comes to the forums making a fuss about it, others are not interested in this. So the whole thing is not even on your radar, until of course you are injured and start discovering this.
I would be fascinated to know the source of your statistics here. “Many, many” is hardly a precise quantification. “1 in 10”, on the other hand, is quite precise, but without some kind of source behind it, it lacks credibility.
Originally Posted by Owen33
Bear in mind a lot of PE boards have a very common practice to eradicate all traces of existence of anyone injured (often under the pretense of them being “trolls”), so you don’t even get to see the real picture. Just watch the slew of attacks this guy got immediately after reporting. It says a lot about the reality some PEers live in.
It says a lot about the reality of this site that we have a whole forum dedicated to injuries and treatments here: Injuries / Treatments
Oh, yeah - that’s the place where this very thread resides.
Originally Posted by Owen33
One person that got venous leakage and corrected it through surgery was asked by his uro did he “put his penis under any type of prolonged pressure like cock-ring?” Now compare wearing a cock-ring to doing clamping. Wait, it’s not even comparable.
Really? Very interesting once again. I’ll be waiting for the class action lawsuit against the cock-ring manufacturers, to remedy this menace against men’s penises.
I’d also be interested in the study that establishes causation between cock ring use and venous leakage.
Originally Posted by Owen33
Besides, don’t you find it strange that, with all the interest in penis size and enlargement in the world today, it is not medically and scientifically established that such and such a way to enlarge the penis consistently works? I’m sure you have clever arguments to combat this.
There are many threads here about PE and medical studies about its effectiveness, and why there isn’t more money put into that. :google:
Originally Posted by Owen33
One thing you also don’t realize is that many people’s slight ED is masked by the pumping or jelqing they’re doing, as this keeps the EQ up temporarily. I’ve seen not one but several injuries that revealed themselves after the guy stopped PE for a couple of days. And I’ve seen guys say that their EQ goes down unless they “do PE”. If they were smart, this would give them a clue. The penis should not need being put unders stress to function in a top notch way.
I don’t realize that. I’ve read thousands of posts here, and I don’t realize that. I have never seen a post here where someone said that they had to do PE to maintain their EQ. Size, yes, at least in some cases. Maybe even to sustain the improvements in their EQ over their original baseline, they may need to do some level of maintenance.
Originally Posted by Owen33
The real icing on the cake is that, with all the today’s medical progress, options for those who injured thier penises are very few. Close to none.
That wouldn’t surprise me. It’s a good reason to be careful with your dick.
Originally Posted by Owen33
Of course, I am not writing this to convince you personally. I’ve seen enough to know that such a thing never happens. But I might make someone else more careful in the future.
Careful is good. Cautious is good. Well informed before even starting PE is good.
Originally Posted by Owen33
I hope I will not be taken as someone who is trying to create hysteria. I am not. But I think I have the right to express my opinion. I am pretty sure what I say here will be taken for granted is a few years of the development of the PE community. Since, guys are not going to stop trying to enlarge their penis. And they will also not stop getting “injured” doing so. And finally to get one thing clear: I don’t think that PE cannot work, under condition that it is extremely careful and extremely long term. I would even like to do some if I ever heal. But it wouldn’t be anything close to what is generally done.
You do have the right to express your opinion. However, there are things that you wrote in your post that seem less like opinion, and more like assertions of fact. If you’re going to do that here, be prepared to be challenged, and to back your assertions with citations.
Else, if you say that “There are many, many guys who’ve had damage from PE”, I can respond that “many, many, MANY have not, and that many, many have larger and better functioning penises as a result. I’m not sure that advances anyone’s understanding of the subject either way, though.