Holy Grail of Cum Load Increase

I see a lot of people confused here, as I was before. My view after a few years of research and experimentation is this:

If you’re a dribbler, you’ll always be a dribbler. It is, unfortunately, the gene lottery. I know this not the answer most people are looking for, but it is the case as far as I can gather. Let me tell you why.

A bit of background: 32, good health and athletic/healthy lifestyle. I’ve always wanted to shoot my loads as in porn since I started beating the bishop. A few years ago I took it to the Internet and just like most guys ended up here. I tried the stack, then variations of the stack, on and off over the past 3-4 years.

Does the stack increase load size? It most definitely does! At least for some people in some sense or form. I found my loads increase most with celery.
But an important distinction needs to be made in our discussion. Bigger loads vs shooting your load (farther/more force or just shooting/gushing any of it).

If you’ve always been a dribbler, will the stack make you shoot/rope/spurt cum all of a sudden? My view is no, for the following reasons:

- While I can see how a “bigger” load should theoretically make shooting easier, it doesn’t explain how for most of us when we were horny teenagers and had huge loads to begin with, we never shot cum even at the prime of our sexual drive. So clearly just making loads bigger couldn’t be the answer.

- It can’t be kegels only too. Some of the people here have strengthened their PC muscles to incredible levels, where virtually you can clench your PC muscles more or less as long as you want, starting from almost no strength at all. They still didn’t shoot (as I didn’t), while most born shooters may not even know of the kegel exercises to begin with.

- As far as I could gather, for the majority of people who came here and had great results shooting after the stack and kegels are people who have always been shooters, they just saw their loads getting smaller and weaker with age, bad diets, lack of exercise etc. This observation holds true across all other discussions of this matter I saw elsewhere on the web.

- If it was indeed possible to transform a dribbler into a shooter, then you’d expect famous male porn stars who dribble become shooters down their career when they learn the “secret” holy grail. If this exists, then you can be sure that the porn industry knows about it.

- People who shoot, virtually always shoot, and virtually always in the same way. People who dribble, virtually always dribble, and virtually always in the same way. Have you noticed that in porn/personal experience? This makes me think that it is intrinsic to the manner in which the orgasm and ejaculation process happens in each one of us (the way and the timing of the different contractions and the timing of when the different ejaculate fluids from the seminal vesicle/testicles/prostate gland get released along the contractions into the urethra etc), a process that is not fully understood by doctors as of yet, and certainly not to a satisfactory level of detail. And the fact that we cum in almost the same fashion every time we orgasm makes me think this is something buried deeply in our genes.

So that’s my opinion lads. There are still many benefits to the stack and kegels obviously (e.g. Kegels help erection quality, so does Arginine in my experience), and you can still use it to increase your load to dump it on the missus’ face, but at least you know you’re not wasting time and effort thinking you’ll be able to sit across the room and unleash ropes into her forehead all of a sudden.

The only thing that I discovered makes me shoot (albeit one spurt) is the reverse glans pinching technique I mentioned on page 123. Funnily enough, nobody picked up on it which makes me think it doesn’t work for most people either!

Have to agree with the above post. At least based on my testing.

I sometimes shoot a decent load, but it’s only one good spurt followed by some dribbling. In my teens and 20’s I did managed to shot myself in the head occasionally, but usually only one rope made it that far.
Did shot the wife in the eye once after pulling out and not moving, that was also about 14 years ago, usually now that one spurt maybe makes it to the tits.

I’ve decided to live with it and move on.. I just have to move in closer if I want to make a mess on her face.

One thing I want to try though, just as an experiment. To abstain for 2-3 days, get a very gorgeous call girl that agrees to a facial, and see if anything extra comes out (to test my theory that arousal plays a very big part also in how you ejaculate at any given time).

Probably won’t go through with this. Also want to try a threesome, I’m sure that might increase the ball butter, especially if it allowed for a “porn” style finish.

Anyway!

For me, it’s: edging and edge again. After three or maybe four edging sessions, I’m ready to open up the dam gates. It’s often enough cum that I need to go again after half an hour or so….an unusual experience when you’re 50+. For me, it’s worth all of that work in order to build up enough cum.

I’m curious about this too guys.

I recall in my late teens and early twenties, if I had been aroused for a long time and got the notorious blue balls, and then jerked off, I would spew with quite a bit of force and quite a long distance - like a fire hose. However, now I’m 55 and for years I’ve been dribbler. Since i started PE almost a year ago, I’m a little spurter - depending on the arousal and length of time aroused - but I never can make it to her tits. lol.

53 here, going on 54 in May. Of course, one way to cum “more” is simply to do as the porn guys do: pinch at the base, as if partially squeezing a water hose. The increased pressure will cause almost any load to travel far. But as far as real cum loads go, even at this age I’ve found that I can build up enough prior to intercourse by edging. Also, during intercourse (or when targeting her tits or face), I’ve always found that denying myself an orgasm until my dick simply has to let go usually guarantees a big load.

I learned something new. I wondered why they did that. I’ll give it a try, if I can remember while in the moment. lol
thanks

Hey Guys,

I started taking a few supplements over the last few days and have seen some basic progress. The problem is that I can’t swallow pills so I get everything (L-Arginine, Maca, Lysine, Pygeum) in capsule form so I can open the capsules and “take” the powder.

Any suggestions on how to take/mix L-Arginine? It tastes terrible and the taste is hard to hide. I’ve mixed it in OJ, pudding, and applesauce, but it doesn’t really do much. I also have been taking Sunflower Lecithin in the powder form, but that isn’t too bad when mixing it with OJ. I also take a Zinc tablet everyday, but it is dissolvable.

Any suggestions on good ways to take supplements in powder form?

Thanks!
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I would suggest simply make a protein shake, use a blender like Nutribullet, Nutri Ninja or something similar.

One type of protein powder I found contains about 1mg L-arginine as well as about 0,9g of L-lysine. It’s Sunwarrior brand, and was surprisingly good, contains lots of other amino acids as well.
I make it with almond milk and then I add about a teaspoon of maca powder as well.

Zinc. I take a gelatin capsule zinc tablet every day. At my local stores, I can only find the big, dry horse-pill zinc tablets—no coating. I have to order online to get the ones in a gelatin capsule.

It might be all psychological, but I feel like I get stronger loads with the zinc.

I was a dribbler when i partied too much and was in poor health. Now that im healthy again and working out again i can blast the headboard if i am not dehydrated.

Yes, it works differently for different people. I purchased a one-year subscription to the Natural Medicines database (Welcome to the Natural Medicines Research Collaboration) and then looked up the original holy grail ingredients to see what the research said and try to separate the hype from the truth. Here’s what I learned:

ORIGINAL HOLY GRAIL FORMULA
(1) L-Arginine, 1000mg Strength, Taken 1 time daily = 1000mg
(2) Zinc, 50mg Strength, Taken 1 time daily = 50mg
(3) Pygeum, 100mg Strength, Taken 2 times daily = 200mg
(4) Lecithin, 1200mg Strength, Taken 1 time daily = 1200mg

I learned that: L-Arginine has effects on sexual arousal and kidney function. Zinc has effects on prostate health. Lecithin has effects on water retention/absorption. But Pygeum .. It has anti-androgenic effects as well as estrogenic effects so I wouldn’t recommend it. In some men, this will sap their libido completely and some men have reported that in this thread (I’ve read about half of the thread — it’s so massive). I also learned that almost everything that is good for the prostate has antiandrogenic effects, lowers your T levels, prevents the conversion of T into DHT, etc. That includes Pygeum. You also probably want to avoid anything containing Beta Sitosterol as it blocks the conversion of T into DHT. It’s found in Soy, Saw Palmetto, Stinging Nettle, and Green Tea. Again, basically everything good for your prostate is bad for your T levels. Zinc is the only exception that I’ve found to this rule so far.

My own experience with these three supplements (at approximately these dosages) excluding Pygeum is that it made my ejaculate thicker and more sticky. It did not increase ejaculate volume. I’ve honestly had better results from ZMA than the Holy Grail in terms of volume. It took about a week to kick in though. I take it daily though not this exact formulation:

ZMA ORIGINAL FORMULA
Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement)
(1) zinc monomethionine and aspartate (30 mg)
(2) magnesium aspartate (450 mg)
(3) vitamin B6 as pyridoxine hydrochloride (10.5 mg)

Incidentally, I also learned..
* Zinc is good for Acne. So is Niacinamide but you can just take Niacin and your body will convert any extra Niacin it doesn’t need into Niacinamide. I take 500 mg daily, 5 on, 2 off. When I added Niacin to my supplements (I was already taking Zinc 50mg) my Acne greatly improved.
* Maca is just an aphrodisiac. It appears to have no measurable effects. Probably not worth your money.
* Fenugreek does help with erection and orgasm but it also lowers DHT. Probably not worth your money.
* Tongkat Ali / Long Jack / Eurycoma Longifolia appears to increase semen volume at 200 mg/daily. (See: Eurycoma longifolia Jack in managing idiopathic male infertility - PubMed) Looks promising!
* Damiana and Yohimbe both have psychotropic effects. I consider them both too dangerous to try.

I have personally been taking Holy Grail (minus Pygeum), ZMA, and Ashwaganda 800 mg. The latter is definitely working for me. It increases T levels, semen volume, and I think testicle size. My wife and I couldn’t be happier! :D I would still like to increase volume so I’m looking at adding Tongkat Ali / Long Jack / Eurycoma Longifolia 200 mg at some point. I’m also still well within my one-year subscription to that website. Items on my radar but which I haven’t yet had time to research include Mucuna Pruriens and Forskolin.

If you like the medical research consider subscribing to the Natural Medicines database: Welcome to the Natural Medicines Research Collaboration
Disclaimer: I am NOT affiliated with the above database/website in any way. I just happen to find it useful for research.

Gona try that, always wanted to.
Edging barley has an effect on load size for me. I get incredible orgasms especially with 420, but load size isn’t affected.

Legend. This is the type of research we want!

When I tried the stack the first time I had Saw Palmetto as well. I almost always barely leaked any precum, so was excited to see its effects. It didn’t affect pre cum at all, and I found after a week or so taking it that I cum super fast, it was bizarre but I felt it’s missing up with my prostate, so I dropped it.

Recently I started taking multi vitamins which has 150 MG of Saw Palmetto. I don’t know if it’s from it but my libido has never been worse. I also bought NOW Foods Sunflower Lecithin because it always had great results on my brain when I used to have the stack (improves memory and makes me think clearer, also makes me have super vivid dreams), but for some reason the formula has changed, now it’s Choline 37 mg (from 1200 mg Sunflower Lecithin (Helianthus annuus)(Seed), and I don’t feel the same effect on brain or load, and fear this could also be behind my reduced libido recently. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to find some of the old Now Foods Sunflower Lecithin in Canada.

Thank you kindly.

Lecithin either converts to Choline in the body or it catalyzes its production. I forget which. So apparently NOW Foods decided to cut straight to the source and bypass the Lecithin route. That’s the answer to your implied “why” question but I don’t know the answer to the “how much to use” or “is it effective” questions. Sorry.

Presumably NOW Foods has done the math and determined that 1200 mg Lecithin is equivalent to 37 mg Choline. Maybe it was cheaper. It’s certainly less in quantity so the pills should be smaller meaning NOW Foods will save a bundle on packaging even if the Choline is slightly more expensive than the Lecithin.

My best guess? Some things just aren’t as effective to the body when consumed in their pure forms as when taken in other forms. So I’d try a different brand of actual Lecithin. I’m using Spring Valley 1200 mg Lecithin that I purchased from Walmart. It’s derived from Soy but I don’t think there’s enough residue to cause an Estrogen effect. That is over hyped and worth repeating.

Best of luck in your endeavors.

Ok, so after 1.5 week instead of 1 day, my supplements have finally come in. I’m very curious to test them now. How would you recommend the intake of:

Zinc

Folium acid

Lecithin

So far I’ve read zinc at least not more than 50 mg a day, but I believe my tablets are 25 mg, would that already be enough or should you go to the limit? Folium acid are 800 mg tablets, is one of those enough? And lecithin as far as I’ve read is “overdose” on the day of the orgasm (6-7 times 1200 mg or so?), but on all the other days?

Just don’t take Zinc on an empty stomach, that stuff can make you nauseous or even throw up if no food is in there. (happened to me and a bunch of friends)