Winstrol?

As promised, here’s my routine for heat stretching that proved successful for a while.

Make a heat sock with a large sock filled with about 1lb rice. Close the end with stitching or a tie wrap. I nuke this in the microwave for 2 mins.

Stretch our your unit and cover with the sock. At first it may be too hot to keep on for more than a few seconds. Repeat until you can feel that the heat is transferred deeply. This is usually around 2 mins for me.

Remove the sock and stretch as hard as is tolerable. Hold for around 30 seconds or until it becomes uncomfortable.

Repeat the heat/stretch cycle until there is insufficient heat in the sock. As the sock becomes cooler it is possible to press the sock harder against the skin to transfer more heat. There comes a point where you can press the sock hard enough without discomfort and actually use it to grip your unit and stretch while the heat is still applied.

I do little more than a straight forward stretch. Sometimes I pull in a circular motion – slow enough to feel the burn in isolated areas.

I finish up with the Jes extender to hold in an extended position while cooling off. Some say that actively cooling may help also, though I have never tried this.

The above gave me 6/16th in 6 days before an abrupt halt in progress. I started this routine yesterday after a layoff of more than 1 month in the hope that it is repeatable. I do not know the answer to this yet.

Shiver

The sock should probably not be hotter than comfortable cause it might actually cook your meat, which wouldn’t be good.

So, Soon2be9 and C ya at 8… A relative guestion: What are your feelings of using hormones to boost one’s muscular development, when we are talking about weight training only as a hobby?

As for me, I don’t believe its a problem. If it is done with safety in mind. I was never much into the natural vs. hormone supplementation argument. The playing field is still level if everyone uses or everyone doesn’t. Would you consider someone who uses nootropics to make themselves smarter a cheater?

In competitive sports such as Baseball, football and the such, in the interest of comparative statistics I think it shouldn’t be allowed. Unless your going to use an asterisk beside every AAS driven record that is broken.

In years to come, youll see HGH and Testosterone/DHT become common place for increasing the quality of life. Estrogen replacement is already this way. Why should males have to suffer with it?

I’ll have to take back Football on that because the increase of injuries and even deaths might results from allowing AAS. All contact sports should never allow such performance enhancing drugs. Our bones aren’t meant to handle the increased stress having an AAS linebacker hitting you a full tilt.

I understand your concern on recreational use of AAS. Some things have to happen before they can become safe enough for use other than medically necessary instances. This is true but I think we are headed that way as we speak. As we learn more about hormones, we will be able to manipulate them even more to make them as safe as they need to be for recreational use.

It depends on what you mean by only as a hobby. If you mean dedicated, but not trying to be a professional bodybuilder, I would say there is nothing wrong with it. I mean there is no question that certain hormones increase the rate of protein synthesis, etc. so I don’t see why someone should not use them if they are wanting to add some muscle mass and they feel it would be helpful. However, if you mean one makes it to the gym whenever they have the chance but may have weeks/months where they do not work out, I think they would be giving themselves hormonal treatment for no reason. IMO, there is probably not much risk involved with using hormones (or at least if used correctly), but if you are doing nothing productive with it, it would be an unnecessary risk nonetheless.

Thank you for your responses! :up:

My opinion is that when done right and with moderation, it can be relatively safe and ok in my book. Too bad this is rarely the case. I know a lot of 18 year olds and under, that don’t know shit about this stuff and they still use. Often with bad results or no results.

I feel that the situation of use in PE can be similar. Not everyone is ready to have the trouble of educating themselves.
I think that it is a little irresponsible to have an open thread about this subject, without better knowledge. You might encourage people in misuse of steroids in hopes of that possible gain.

That is another reason I hesitate to post or even contribute to threads like this. I guess I didn’t itterate clearly enough that before I would ever put ANYTHING into my body that even has the potential to be harmful, I would educate myself thoroughly about its use and effects. I would never recommend to anyone to be careless when using steroids or anything else that would have an impact on natural hormonal balance within your body. Believe me, it scares me as well to think that someone might pick up on a thread like this (or another infamous thread which will remain nameless :) ) and throw all caution to the wind by jumping into the use of steroids, etc. However, where should the line be drawn? Where is the point at which we should not attempt to share ideas/knowledge for fear of someone getting hurt because they did not take the precaution of educating themselves about what they are dealing with? (I mean that as a serious question, not trying to be a cynic)

The subject of this thread is intresting, but it would’ve been better to start discussing about it in a small group with some people known to know about these things, rather than come out with it public.

When some people came out with new exercises, they tested them first for some period of time to ensure the efficiency and safety and I think there was a lot of sense in that. Some people are too eager and have trouble realising the risks, before it’s too late, especially the new guys.

I agree, that someone stupid enough could injure himself permenantly with NPE too, but it’s not as likely and would most likely happen over time.

You shouldn’t stop posting about new methods, but the more potentially hazardous ones should first be thought thru (and even tested if possible) in a smaller, closed group, before coming out in the public with them… in my humble opinion. :)

Humble as it may be, your opinion is wise nonetheless. Believe me, I DO feel the same way. As I said, I really hesitate with threads like this. That’s why I was waiting around for someone else to bring it up. I would hate to think a topic I started or contributed to was the cause of someone injuring themselves in any way. Very good points about NPE vs non-natural methods (or non-natural methods in conjunction with NPE) by the way. With all of that being said, hopefully people will realize that the possibility of injury/harm exist in all forms of PE and, being that you only have one body, you should educate yourself before you take ANY kind of chances with it.

Thank you and I believe you do. :)

Maybe some of us might have injured our penises had we NOT known of this forum ?

Sure. Why? :confused:

For example: Some guy out there has probably thought of using testosterone for PE, topically or whatever, unaware of this forum, and doing it in ways more dangerous than those discussed here.

Or some guy out there, unaware of this forum, is maybe attempting very dangerous stretching exercises.

I think our responsibility as posters is to be truthful. And each’s responsibility as a PE practitioner is to be careful, which includes skepticism, common sense and paying attention to sensation.

My own twist on what you guys were talking about.

Sure some poor guy could injure himself so that it could’ve been avoided if he knew about this forum, BUT… PE is generally not recognized. It is not known. People don’t generally think that they CAN enlarge their penises. So most people wouldn’t even try without this forum or some other source of information on ‘net.