Winstrol?

I don’t know much about it except for the fact that it sounds like it has the potential to be a good PE supplement. Apparently, since injecting T reduces the human body’s collagen synthesis by anywhere from 50 - 80 percent, many people take this supplement instead. I have read that it increases the body’s ability to produce collagen, but at the same time weakens the integrity of collagen cross-linking. This would make the tissues stretch/tear more easily. Furthermore, the tears would be filled in with collagen more quickly (being that synthesis is up) and probably with more healthy collagen cells. Has anyone used Winstrol (or a similar supplement) while doing PE? Even if noone has ever used (or heard of) this particular supplement, I am open to opinions as to whether or not it would be good for PE.

Peace

I’m interested. Could be good.

Would this make a klutz like me a bane to myself? I mean would I constantly twist my ankles but heal super fast? Is this stuff forever?

Would it in theory help mold the tunica?

Well, I would most definitely say that your potential for injury and damage to connective tissues would increase by a generous margin wile you were taking Winstrol. However, as you said, you would recover faster from such injuries as well. The cross-link bonds would begin to regain their strength soon after you quit taking it, so there is no potential for permanent damage.

That is exactly what I’m interested to know. It does in fact sound like it would do just that. It also ups your production of T as well which might be an added benefit to some people.

I looked at both Deca and Winstrol for their famed ability to increase collagen synthesis. Since Winstrol, from what I read, made collagen weaker, I dismissed it. This may have been a mistake if I looked at it the way you are. Deca also ups collagen production but binds to the prostaglandin receptors in the penis. This causes “Deca Dick” which your unable for get/maintain an erection so I discounted it as well.

Looking at Winstrol from your point of view, it might actually work. I also think there are PH equivalents to Winstrol, there are for Deca.

I’m fairly sure you are correct in the fact that there are PH equivalents to Winstrol (damned if I know what the names are though).

I’ve been contemplating this for a while now, but not being very familiar with Winstrol, was waiting to see if someone else would bring it up. Thanks for your input Cya, glad to know that someone else here has at least heard of this stuff. Speaking of prostaglandin, I was also considering Winstrol in conjunction with PGE1. If the collagen cross-links are weaker, and there is plenty of PGE available to the tissues as they are being stretched, it sounds like potential to stretch would be greatly increased. If noone has tried this, I think I’ll give it a go, but there’s not many conclusions that can be drawn in a single-person experiment … especially one in which the potential number of variables is almost infinite. I won’t be able to do much aside from compare my gains for the next 2 months with my gains from the 2 months I have done PE. Even then though, I don’t know how much my tissues have changed during the 2 months of PE and the one month break I’ve taken. Even if I gained more than I did during the first 2 months, how would I know without a doubt that I could attribute it to supplements?

Aren’t we talking about anabolic hormones now? How far are you prepared to go for the sakes of possibly getting some advantage in form of PE?

I guess that’s relative to how many people it would potentially help. I would of course like to stay within the limits of safety. :)

Soon, if you’re looking to experiment with softening connective tissue you might consider trying relaxin. There was a brand called Vitalaxin available last I looked, but cost $80 for 60 pills.

I’ve never heard of anyone using it as a PE aid, but sounds intriguing.

Hobby,

Is that not what women produce an excess of when they are pregnant to stretch the vagina?

Thats also a hormone. Just say NO! LOL

I’ve looked at it myself. Why dont Hobby try Vitalaxin? In fact, I’ll look into it being transdermal for you Hobby if you would like.

Soon,
I never found a PH equivalent to Winstrol. The ones to Deca are aromatizable and therfore not worth anything. I have my own experiment going on or I might try Winstrol.

Really, both options might be promising.

Winstrol is notorious for producing large amounts of dht. It’s the most notorious for male pattern baldness.

Can’t I take some kind of DHT inhibitor with it?

Use a topical product such as Rogain. In my studies, I have ran across many other ways to stop MPB without messing with 5ar. Give me some time and I will show you guys all the available products the stop hair loss without inhibiting 5ar.

DHT plays an important role in your body. Stopping it when the need isn’t there is just as dangerous as topical application of Testosterone.

Hobby,
My reply was more about testing certain theories, than cornering you into a test of your own. I believe that there are products out there that will allow for PE to become much easier and even the hard gainers could use these products and experience good results.

I can’t test them all. We need others to test different theories. Since you brought this to the table, I thought you might have an interest in trying it. Forgive me if I was mistaken.