I have been diagnosed with Andropause by 789

The orginial post that you put up sounded like I wrote it. I was sure that my testosterone was the fault. I was tired, no energy, no libido. I was ready to cash it in because I didn’t want to live like this.

I went to an endriconologist and he did a super duper blood testing job. He even had a sample sent to the Mayo clinic. His conclusion was that I have depression. I thought yeah right that is something crazy people get. There is no reason for me to be depressed. I had also given up alcohol which is a depressent so I should have been better.

He really thought my testroterone was okay and he didn’t want to raise the level because of other complications that that could cause. So he talked me into going on an anti-depressant. Effecor (sp). I couldn’t believe it but it works.

Depression is not just for crazy people any more! :)

Apologies - I haven’t read anything other than page 1, however this might be of interest:

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Thats the conclusion my Doctor must have come to also, as she wanted me to go on Wellbutin (sic?).

789

As our Surgeon General told me, Doctors practice medicine because they don’t know everything and every person is different.

Fatigue/being tired has been the hardest thing that I have had to do in life. Feel like an old man and I’m only a few years older than you.

Take one day at a time. And look at what you did that day, and not what you didn’t do!!

I was fully active working 12-14 hours in the office and coming home and working 2-3 hours in the house and yard until 2003. When I had radiation and major cancer surgery where they took out the retire right abdomen from breast to waist. And affected every system in the body. Doctors now tell that most surgeons wouldn’t have done all that in one operation. In my case they didn’t have a choice.

I work 15-30 minutes and then take a 15-30 min break or nap. Life goes on slowly, but I am making progress.

Also, have you gotten a second option or been to a hospital associated with a medical school. I have been a “medical guinea pig” or “science project” since they found rare form of cancer. I rarely see anyone who is not a MD with PhD also—the experts. You may or may not need to see that level of expertise, but it can’t hurt.

Good luck and happy PEing.

789

Hey bro glad your feeling good it amazes me that your still in the low range and your horny as hell I can’t imagine what happens when your in the middle normal range, your going to be humping peoples legs:D

monument I am glad that the doctor found something concrete and I am glad you are being treated effectively. Did he say how long you’ll be on? Is it indefinately? Good luck and keep us posted.

wannabeseven thanks for the link. I will read it after I finish posting here.

Sixerman good news for you too. I am glad you are trying the therapy. I know things will get better for you man.

flyingwood, I am sorry about your cancer and am very happy you are progressing positively. Keep up the fight and rest assured I will look into other specialists.

Dino my man, thanks for the kind words. I REALLY dont know what I’ll do if I get much hornier. I couldnt even leave the office last nite without rubbing one off before I went home. lol Hey has anyone ever been to a Yahoo Chat room, what are they like? (just kidding) If you see 789Florida in there trying to get some chic to video chat with me you’ll know what I am doing.

Just remember your own office rule, 789. “No fluids near business documents.”

Yeah I can see it now.

“Ah yes Mrs Jones I know the mortgage documents smell heavily of a man’s orgasmic fluids but I assure you its not what you think. Yes I know I still have a wet spot on the front of my shorts, I assure you its not precum it just bad urination habits, like not shaking that one last time I should have. Yes ma’am I know you think my hands are greasy with Astroglide mint flavored lubricant. Cant we just sign the documents and then your free to go. You know all this talk of sex is making you mighty attractive to me. I have never seen a woman of 103 look so sexy, do you give head? I SAID, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WOMAN OF 103 LOOK SO SEXY, DO YOU GIVE HEAD? Jeezus lady turn up your hearing aid.”

With the state you’re in, her hearing aid would already be too slippery to turn up.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse (by your doctor that is). I had and endo do the same, assuming I was depressed. Well, yeah, because of low testosterone!!!

These guys go to college in the 70s and don’t keep up with the latest research, make their $300 office visit fee and write a prescription that they don’t think will be challenged.

I’m not just ranting, but this is a great example of why we have to do research ourselves and challenge our doctors. Sure they’ll hide behind “clinical experience” which is their way of saying “I know everything and you don’t.” As a student nurse, let me know you, they need a lot of help remembering how not to kill people with medications.

Do your research, get second, third, and fourth opinions even, and take charge of your own body!

BFLR

Well said. I had to twist my Dr’s arm to check off Testoserone on the blood test (I was going to check it myself if she didn’t). I was getting it checked for my Cholesterol anyway, so what one more thing to check.

Right, SixerMan, especially when the testing costs them nothing….except that you might expect them to act on the results, use their brains and do some research.

BFLR

For those interested, I just got back from having my bloodwork done again. My testosterone levels went up another 50 points from last month. I am on the 5 mg. Androderm patch. I have managed to manage my libido by jerking off daily, that seems to keep me on the normal side of horny for now. I feel better but my weight loss has stopped. I have cut back on my alcohol intake now that my kids are back in school and we dont have people at my house daily for drinks and boating. Alcohol is the LARGEST amount of useless calories that I take in. I have increased the intensity levels of my daily workouts and have started to even workout on the weekends, well at least cardio. As far as good intake is concerned, I actually eat moderately low carb. I limit processed carbs like bread, potatoes and white rice. I eat a lot of vegetables as well as a lot of lean protein. (Okay I’m not perfect, last nite I had KFC with the kids— 1 original recipe breast, mashed pot with gravy, and cole slaw.)

In the beginning of this thread I was given advice from some of you guys on taking all natural supplements to boost my testoterone and I said I was open to the idea but I wanted to get stable first. Well I feel I am pretty stable right now so I have decided to take 300 mg of tonkat ali a day as well as 25 mg of dhea cream. I am hoping next month when I go back to take more blood tests that there is a significant difference in my levels so that I can ween myself off of the patch over a few months.

Is the problem high SHBG or low total T? If it’s low total T, the best thing you can do, believe it or not, is to increase the amount of quality fat in your diet. Saturated and monounsaturated fats. Of course omega-3 fats from fish are the best of all. Certainly avoid transfats, like from fried restaurant food, but fatty meats, cheese, butter and olive oil and canola oils will help.

DHEA is very effective at raising T levels.

And certainly nothing wrong with jerking off every day!

Good luck Bro I hope the natural stuff works