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I can’t remember where I originally saw the paper, but here’s a link that gives the gist of it: http://www.merc ola.com/2005/ap … anate_juice.htm

I tried it for the nitric oxide. It doesn’t feel like viagra though. I it’s a ‘clean’ and focussed feeling - probably like what arginine would be like if I could ever remember to take it.

One side effect I noticed is that it’s fantastic for the morning after hangover. Probably about on a par with ‘superfood’, but without the feeling of drinking grass cuttings when you’re in that certain delicate state. I did 1/2pint glass every morning, and effects were within a couple of hours.

Anyway, it’s nothing groundbreaking, but significant enough to notice the difference. It’s worth trying a carton if you’re curious since it’s a small investment, and the long term benefits seem to be in alignment with the n-3 supplementation too (apart from it meaning mixing fat and carbs, in case that bothers you).

Oh I’m going to definitely try that! Thank you.

I’ll email to you buddy. I sent it to RWG and of course his comment was that her ass didnt look big enough for anal. LOL

Okay, they fucked up my testosterone test the other day and I took another one yesterday. My testosterone count is 281 on a scale of 241-827. So I have gone up about 130 points since I started this trek. I read somewhere that it can take six months to stabalize. I am in month 3.

Are they going to tune you up into the middle of the range, like 500 or 600, or just keep you at the lower limits of the range?

I havent picked a number with my doctor yet, but I have talked to a doctor that I play poker with who treats a friend of mine for the same thing and he told me to go six months on the current treatment and then re-evaluate. This doc told me he would push me to the mid ranges for sure. I told him about my excessive horniness and he said that would probably level off and then whenl I reach a new higher testosterone level it will probably happen again. You know, when I look back, it has already happened that way. When I first started I felt really horny, then it was manageable, then when I went up another 50 points I was really horny again and then manageable. So I kind of believe him.

I think the reason why is that with TRT the body generally compensates by raising SHBG levels. With low SHBG, that gives high free testosterone. High free testosterone is what determines horniness. Do you have copies of your bloodwork? You could take a look and see if this is it.

zane I do keep copies of all my blood work. I even go to a clinic and have extra tests done every month because my doc is only doing them quarterly. What would I look for?

Thanks for your help.

I’m not sure the normal values for everything with men, but you would want to look at the lab’s values for total T, free T and SHBG (sex-hormone-binding globulin). Also list the lab’s normal ranges for those things.

But this is why TRT doesn’t really work for women; Intrinsa just failed clinical trials. Women have that initial burst of horniness, but then it just wears off over time as their bodies boost up the SHBG. That’s why Dr. Irwin Goldstein had one of his interns investigate my diet, because it keeps the SHBG low so works well with TRT. I have normal female T level, but because my SHBG is at the healthy minimum, I have high free T.

Okay just to keep updating my thread. I switched from the 5 mg. patch to the 5 mg. Androgel. My complaints about the patch were that they were leaving itchy welts on my skin wherever they were applied. And the welts lasted for up to a week. Also, the patch couldnt get wet, had to be moved everyday to a new location and didnt also stay put if it was in a location that wasnt exactly flat. Now the Androgel, seems to be working great, I apply it in the morning, but I have to wait to let it dry before I can put my shirt back on and I cant have any female contact until it is completely dry. I have also noticed that when applied to my upper arms and shoulders that I can sometimes break out with zits in those locations. I think I am having better obsorbtion from the gel because my beard is coming in much heavier since using it.

Sounds good Bro my old buddy drgmerlin used to use that, I miss that dude

I am no longer gettting any “low” days where I am zapped of all energy and focus. I am still horny constantly and jerk off more than I ever have, but there a number of reasons for that. I am still having problems shaking my excess weight but I think that is attributable to my drinking. So now I am back to being a weekend alcoholic (just kidding) and during the week I am dry. Since taking the testosterone I am able to lift more and have more endurance at the gym. So I know I am offsetting some fat loss with some muscle gain.

Thanks for the update on that. I’m still watching this thread with interest.

I met a friend at the gym that went to an endo many months ago, and got on the patches. He doesn’t view it as a “fix-all” by any means. He still stresses diet and exercise as more important, and the hormone is just a helper, or adjunct to make things a little easier for weight loss, looking better, etcetera. So he doesn’t paint the picture as if “just getting on hormones” is going to miraculously make you lose weight or look like superman. It still takes diet, exercise, and persistence. But, he used to be obese, and now (if I were to guess) he’s probaly in the 10% to 12% range for bodyfat. Nice body! Wish mine were like that. :)

The gel sounds interesting. No patches to fall off or worry about. I wound probably be wondering about applying it to other parts of the body! :chuckle:

The instructions say specifically states “Apply AndroGel only to healthy, normal skin on your abdomen (stomach area), shoulders or upper arms. In this way your body will absorb the right amount of testosterone. Never apply AndroGel to your genitals (penis or scrotum) or to skin with open sores, wounds or irritation.”

That being said, I don’t always follows instructions to the letter :mwink:

I think you are absolutely right about the weightloss and exercise. I just have to learn to keep my big pie hole closed.

Hey guys I just wanted to continue to update my thread. Here goes:

I went to the doctor today and got my latest blood test results. My testosterone is 501 on a scale of 230-1000. And I’m feeling pretty damn good. They didnt do free, free%, just total. But I’m pretty damn happy.

The last test I had on Sept 14, had a total of 258 on a scale of 250-1000, % Free 2.05 % on a scale of 1.1-2.8% and Free which was 52.8 on a scale of 35.0-155.0.

Just in the last month and a half my testosterone has gone up 243 points. Woohoo for me !!!