Collagen Supplements for PE , does it help ?

Does collagen supplements have a positive effect on PE ?

I don’t see how it would because collagen is degraded by HCl in the stomach and then degraded by various enzymes in order to be absorbed into the body as amino acids. I think the collagen sellers are just hyping a useless contaminated waste product of meat production.

But I haven’t tried it, so I can’t say for sure. It’s not on the list of things I want to try though.

Interestingly I went to look at recent posts, and literally got the thought (which I’ve had previously) of whether or not supplementing collagen would affect the PE process.

The amino acids the collagen is broken down into, i.e. proline etc, are of course those present in collagen at the same ratios and thus can then be re-assembled as collagen in the body where necessary. Research proves that supplementing collagen strengthens and essentially regrows the cartilage in joints.

What with collagen remodelling ultimately being the name-of-the-game in PE, there could well be effects, and those effects could possibly be positive.

One would certainly expect collagen supplementation (along with vitamin C, 500mg multiple times a day seeing as vitamin C feeds the enzymes that produce collagen; best to go 500mg max per dosage as more than 500mg vitamin C per dosage can yield pro-oxidant effect) to assist tissue healing pace between the more advanced PE sessions, but surely also those on the newbie routine where collagen remodelling is also being achieved (more seamlessly in fact, with less force).

Does supplementing collagen ramp up enzymes involved in clearing away collagen put through expansion during a PE session (so that such can repair and remodel into longer fibers)? Possibly.

As an athlete, I’ve supplemented collagen a lot, during my PE also. My max gains being 1” girth and 2” length up to 7.9” BPEL x 5.9” EG (currently 7.5” x 5.75” due to little to no PE). Did supplementing collagen assist? Again, possibly.

from what i’ve read we don’t want collagen in the dick. We want smooth muscle.

Smooth muscle is within the chambers. But in PE the limiting factor is expansion of tunica; the tunica is made of collagenous fibers.

Even knowing that collagen gets broken down in the stomach I’ve tried few brands because collagen is cheap. No changes were noted.

Have enough high quality protein that your body will synthetize collagen when necessary.

Ok it works, but when you stop ingesting collagen, the penis is going to stiffen more than it is, I want my penis to be big and elastic

Consumed amino acids are rapidly sequestered in the liver and digestive lining where they are metabolized or re-released as needed. This is called splanchnic sequestration.

Amino acid entry into cells is a highly controlled process, just having more of an amino acid in the interstitial plasma doesn’t necessarily mean the cells will use it.

There is some effect of consuming isolated amino acids, but that wouldn’t be the case with proline in collagen since after the proteins are broken down into amino acids (or small peptides) in the digestive system, the amino acids require shuttling molecules (sodium-dependent amino acid transporters) to enter the circulatory system (which directs them to the liver to be sequestered before circulating around the body). These amino acid shuttles are not specific for each amino acid and so amino acids compete for their use.

There are at least three levels of control mechanisms between the proline consumed in collagen and any effect on fibroblasts producing and degrading collagen in the body.

If I was running the FDA, I would pull collagen supplements off the shelves for heavy metal contamination in a heart beat. It’s the same thing with whey protein powder, unacceptable heavy metal contamination. I don’t have a problem with finding a market for what would otherwise be a waste product (in fact I think it should be encouraged where ethical), but I don’t want Americans losing anymore IQ points so someone can make a buck. Either that, or clear heavy metal chelators for over the counter use. Economics is one thing, the USA can handle economic problems, but a dumb country is a dead country.

Oral supplementation is very hit and miss when it has to be digested, as mentioned.

If you’re interested in playing with collagen, I suggest doing some reading on Low Level Laser Therapy.

It’s used extensively by athletes, as well as in the cosmetic medical industry.

There is an absolutely massive amount of research showing the super positive effects of collagen supplementation on joints and more, that at least isn’t in question. To see lots on that just type into google "ergo log collagen", yielding, for example:
This is what collagen supplements do to your knee cartilage

But regardless of what research says, the proof is ultimately in the pudding. I compete in track at a high level (Olympic level) and have had injuries years ago that without collagen wouldn’t return to baseline for months and month (if at all), an overstressed lumbar disc for example. Whereas *with* supplementing collagen and other things that assist collagen regeneration (olive leaf extract, for example, vit C 500mg multiple times a day, preferably ester C), a flare up that would’ve taken months to completely clear can be cleared within ten days.

But yes, the necessary building blocks can certainly be gotten from regular positive nutrition. Quinoa for example has beta-ecdysterone, which assists in the repair of cartilage:
Ecdysterone repairs cartilage in joints

But yeah hmmm. Anyone else supplemented collagen with PE?

I’d never heard of that heavy metal issue. I only supplement whey from grass-fed cows thus would guess that’s clear. I’m not in USA either, so don’t know if that effects such at all.

Grass fed wouldn’t ensure that. Heavy metals like to interact with sulfur in disulfide bonds in protein and more persistent proteins in the body like collagen bio-accumulate it more than other tissues. In the modern era when heavy metal contamination is pervasive, it’s not wise to eat certain tissues like collagen or liver.

http://chemistr y.elmhurst.edu/ … naturation.html

If you want to test it yourself, it’s not hard. It should work to just incinerate the collagen supplement and add the salt residues (ash) to deionized water. Wait until the salt residues completely dissolve in the water, you may need to acidify it, maybe neutralize it to a normal pH, then use an available lead water test kit. Lead being the most common contaminant in the USA food supply, you’ll almost certainly get a positive. Lead was distributed across the whole country by leaded gasoline by the Rockefeller monopoly and later the gas cartel, it’s still used in various parts of the world that want to make their population retarded.

I’ve been getting my collagen in a more natural form - bone broth.
I use a form that is dehydrated powder in teabag style sachets that require simmering for 10 minutes to release the goodies.

My current routine is 12 hours per day, extending with my Phallosan Forte.
I’ve managed about 7 weeks so far. Gains appear to be minimal for the moment but since consuming bone broth 5 days per week, the minor skin injuries I have experienced healed extremely quickly.
Another unrelated benefit is the lines on my face appear to have filled in somewhat making me look younger.

There is some interesting information in this thread, I have a load of olive leaf extract and natural vitamin C capsules, I might have to start taking them again.

I intend to keep wearing the extender for 2000 hours or 6 months total. If I gain an inch or more by then, the collagen will have helped for sure. I’ve been a very slow gainer.during the last few decades.

Probably do not affect PE at all, because after it is broken into amino acids there is no way to know it will go to the penis and work as we think it will. Although, there are probably other more important places for it to go, Sigmoid has posted a very important information here Sigmoid - Collagen Supplements for PE , does it help ? about the “splanchnic sequestration”. Unfortunately his last activity was in June 2020, I hope he is ok.