Firegoat Roll

Hi Curious. Unfortunately if you’ve had it 10 years, it’s not likely to go. I could suggest a peel, but personally I wouldn’t do one on my glans; it could cause more problems than it solves. It’s something not worth worrying about.

Hey Firegoat,

Thanks a lot for your quick reply. Thankfully it is not too visible while erect, and anyway since the time, I am pretty used to it now.

But I actually got loads of new ones on the shaft just yesterday, after only 5min warm up, 5min bathmate and 5min jelq. Still not gone after 24h (just as visible as after the workout), quite a bit of spots everywhere. It seems that the roll makes things worse on the short term, as in more dots or making them more visible.
I guess I only have to wait and hope they will fade away. But would there be anything that I could do ? Like warm and cold treatments ? Perhaps some masturbation ? Or actually best to avoid those ?

Weirdly, a 10min bathmate workout on its own and a 10min jelq on its own didn’t do any such spots. But the combination, although felt nice and no pain, yielded loads of red spots. Must be quite powerful then.

The roll won’t have made the red spots worse, it’ll just make the skin around them lighter so they stand out more in contrast. I’d keep doing the rolls and avoid PE until they’ve gone, which should only be around another 2-5 days.

Alright, advice taken ! Thanks 😉

When do you recommend doing these, when you see a lot of discoloration after like girth exercises?

That’s an obvious time to do them, but they are ideal for prevention with any PE routine. If you want to know more, read the whole thread on them linked in my signature line.

Hi again Firegoat,

The spots have quickly faded away thanks to your method. I had them a couple of times more, and the firegoat roll did the job.
Thanks a bunch for this and your time replying.

However I noticed something “concerning” : they seem to appear only when I do some warm-up prior to bathmate.
Using bathmate with high pressure just to see the effect did not cause any red spots.
However, even light pressure in a short session caused red spots if preceded by a (5 to 10 min) warm up.
I need to try that with jelqing to see if the same observation can be made.

Considering that warming up is important for gains, what would be your take on this ?
I assume red spots are not a very good thing, so I wonder how to balance that out.
I think that the cause/consequence chain goes as follows: the warm up dilates the surface blood vessels of the skin, which then become engorged, and added pressure via bathmate or jelqing creates further engorgement, eventually breaking some of the capillaries.
But, then again, warm up has been shown to be important for gains and reducing injury risk, so that’s why I’m confused about this observation.
Maybe in time, my unit will get used to it, and warming up won’t cause red spots anymore.

Should you do longer warm ups (10 min) to not just target the surface blood vessels but also the deeper blood vessels, such as the arteries of the CC ?

That’s this thread. :-P

Hi Curious.
The way a warmup reduces injury risk and increases gains is by softening the tough collagen in the tissues. This is found both in what we typically think of as the collagenous structures of the penis, especially the Corpora Cavernosa, which to a large extent is what we are focussing on in PE, but also it’s found in the blood vessels and all the other tissues.
Obviously if we make the collagen ‘softer’ with heat, it is easier to deform/stretch, using less intense methods than if it was cold. Using less intense methods reduces injury risk (or at least if injury does occur it’s not under a much higher stress load, so is more minor), and also avoids the ‘toughening’ response which is the normal response of collagen that occurs if we repeatedly expose it to high tensile loads, so a good warm up allows us to continue gaining without having to constantly escalate the stress on the tissues as quickly.

I’m not a big fan of the Bathmate as there’s no way of knowing how much stress you are putting on the tissues. After a warmup, the tissues require less stress to achieve the same result, so it’s possible you’re putting more stress on them than you think you are. As you suggest, see if you get the red spots jelqing after a warmup. If you don’t, it’s likely that you may be using more vacuum than you think with the Bathmate.

I don’t know how much PE experience you have, or how conditioned your penis is. In the early days of PE, everyone has what I’d describe as ‘weak links’ in their penis - tissues that are more susceptible to damage than others. The primary purpose of ‘conditioning’ is to equalise the resistance of the tissues as much as possible, so that stress can be placed on the toughest tissues, without damaging the tissues that were the ‘weak link’ to start with.
It’s possible that your ‘weak link’ is your blood vessels. If that’s the case, you’ll need to do more PE at lower levels until they adapt to the stress, before you can stress the tougher tissues. Increasing your vitamin C can help to strengthen blood vessels also, so I’d try that too.

I find the best warm up is either with an IR lamp, or with a microwaveable gel pack placed over a damp cloth; both allow heat to penetrate deeply into the tissues. A hot shower or some form of blower heater, for example, primarily heats just the outer tissues. Ideally you want to heat the tissues all the way through, which often requires a longer warm up. It really depends on how hot your chosen warm up meduim is. If it’s too hot to leave on for long it’ll heat the outer tissues very effectively but the heat won’t have time to penetrate (think about fying a steak - high heat cooks the outside but leaves the inside pink or raw. Lower heat cooks evenly).
I’d choose a temperature that is fairly easily tolerable for 5-7 minutes. That’s enough time to warm all the way through. If it’s tolerable for 10 minutes, that’s probably fine too, but it makes warming up more of a chore. A heat that you want to take off after 5-7 minutes before it becomes uncomfortable seems to work best.

Hope that helps. Let me know how you progress.

Wow, how cool is that! It makes finding it really easy :D

Is bruising and discolouration the same thing?

I’ve been doing Firegoat Rolls but they don’t seem to be doing anything. The discolouration I have looks like bruising and the rolls don’t seem to be having any effect. :/

Thanks a lot for your detailed reply Firegoat !

Yes indeed, about the pressure ans the bathmate, I mostly try to, follow the feeling but would be so great to be able to quantify the pressure. I have started using it only 2 weeks ago. I have done very small amount of PE but never stuck to the routines. Now I wanted to finally get a good routine going.

I warm up using the bathmate without pressure. So just filling up with water as hot as comfortable and put it on without depressurizing it. Around 5 to 10 min.
It’s hard to tell though if it warms up the deeper structures.

This totally makes sense about not needing as much pressure. I actually increased it when using the warm ups, as it felt more relaxed. Will try without too much pressure this time !

I actually wonder if this doesn’t stem from my tunica being toughened. Which probably comes from masturbation and sex (not bathmate as it’s been like that for as long as I can remember). It is hard for me to stretch at all, quite rare to get the thinner look upon stretch, the tunica doesn’t want to give in, and the stimulation always ends up in a partial erection at some point. That’s one of the reasons I had a hard time sticking to the Newbie routine and hoped that bathmate could provide another type of stimulation for length, so that I don’t have only jelqing. Hopefully with time and longer warm ups, the low force stretches will ease up the tissues a bit. Shame because stretching feels nice when the tissues let go a bit. Also, as I workout my PC muscles quite a bit, there is a strong automatic pull down at some point in the stretch.

Maybe I should do A, V and side stretches? Would you have a recommendation to help soften up the tunica ?

Thanks again so much for your advice.

The best way to soften up the tunica is just with a good warm up.

When you feel fairly well conditioned, you could add in A,V, stretches etc. Don’t go too hard with them to start with, and try to relax into them.
I won’t say much more than that as I don’t want to take the thread off-topic. :D

It seems to be working, but it’s just not getting rid of all of it. I feel like I’m going to be doing firegoat rolls all day and still not get rid of the heavier patches.

Do we know if bruising and discolouration are more or less the same thing?

I’m worried that I might be doing Firegoat Rolls trying to get rid of bruises.

Bruising and discolouration are not the same thing, although discolouration does come from a form of bruising! Discolouration happens usually because of hemosederin staining from repeated bruising.

The rolls should help with bruising, but bruising takes a few days to disappear anyway. It’s probably an indicator of doing to aggressive PE. Just do the rolls for a few minutes a day, a couple of times a day, after jelqing first for a couple of minutes to increase the skin’s bloodflow. Take a few days off PE and just do the rolls and see if that helps. If you have heavy discolouration, it will take several weeks of firegoat rolls to make much difference. They are better used to prevent discolouration in the first place.