Never experienced expansion

Hello all, I’ve been working away at PE for 4 months now. No gains so far. The topic though : I’ve tried squeezes, clamping, and pumping in the last month, but I’ve never seen the expansion everyone talks about. My after workout pumps go away within minutes too. What gives?

Program for 3 months
Warm up in shower
Wet jelq 15 minutes, 50 - 70%, tight grip, overhand OK
Stretching 10 minutes, lightly
Kegels 100 - 200 reps, 2 second hold
Warm down in the shower

Current stats : 6.5” long x 5.25” around

Any input would be greatly appreciated, as I’ve never heard of anyone not experiencing expansion.

You got some excellent starting stats, and your routine seems legit. Perhaps try dry jelqing? Also, you could try to use a hot towel (boil some water and let cool a bit) to heat yourself up a bit more before workouts. Other then that, perhaps a more experienced PE er could give some extra advice.

dont hurt what you already have, which is perfectly healthy. dont rush.

Honestly, without more info on your age, fitness level and how fast you heal.it’s shots in the dark. That said, here are mine.

It sounds like too many kegels, too long a routine to start with. I think you’re pushing past invigorating your penis and kinda retarding yourself to no gains. Has your EQ dropped or gone up since you started doing PE?

I pumped off and on through my career. It wasn’t till long after the newbie gain phase that I had any post pump size or swelling. I mean I had to plateau before the pump started to help. I pump now, but in the first 2 years they were worthless. I own a box full of pumps and cylinders that I’ve tried from that time. Most of which function fine, just didn’t help at that time in my PE training. So I’m not shocked it hasn’t helped this early for you, it definitely didn’t for me.

As for squeezes? I’ve never gotten that exercise to work for me. But I’m a device guy. So I’m not exactly an exercise guru.

Hope it helps.

I would incorporate constant heat with a space heater/IR lamp.

I’m planning to go air force, so I am quite fit at the moment. 148 pounds, sub 7 mile time, 3x a week lifting, clean diet, 10 hours sleep at least 5 days a week.

I have lost EQ, for sure, to the point where I was aiding it with tadalafil.
(Yes, stupid, I know now lol. I stopped and am on a 2 week break at the moment.)

As an aside also, I have a very low libido at the moment, not sure why. Perhaps over training? I tend to go overboard.

I’ll edit it down to 50 kegels and build up from there after my break. I’ll also tweak my training down some and take a week off to make sure it’s not over training.

I’d definitely do a 2-4 week break. Basically I’d wait till the morning wood and drive are back to where you were at the start. Then build from there with a more modest routine. There’s no rush to start, just take it easy and ease into it.

Sounds like a definite case of overtraining. Just because the rest of you is conditioned doesn’t mean your penis can keep up at the same rate. *Laughs* But, your description doesn’t sound like you’ve done any real damage so with time, prudence on your next start and patience you’ll be on track in no time.

I also suggest heat and avoiding devices for now. Devices can make things more complex early on in routines. But you’ve got the right idea going on break so you’ll be okay.

Basic #1 rule of thumb for PE. If EQ or size start going down, you’re training too hard or too much. Dial it back or take a break.

I’ll be back in a week or so with a report. I really appreciate the quick responses. Solid advice in an hour? Unheard of. Thank you for your expertise!

I’m definitely no PE expert but I experienced this & weirdly enough my starting stats were identical to yours so thought maybe I could help, when I started my BPEL was longer than my BPFSL by half a cm, I know a lot of people say this isn’t possible but I know how to use a ruler & it really was that way so after some reading I came across the tgc theory & came to the conclusion that my tunica was limiting my expansion so for the past couple of months I’ve been targeting that by doing manual stretching, bundled stretches & mandingo stretches followed by using a vac ADS for a few hours, my BPFSL has now exceeded my BPEL by a cm & my expansion while clamping has become much better, I’m hoping my BPEL will follow with an increase shortly, maybe look into this too?

I am assuming you did this 5 days on 2 off, right?

Too much kegels, too much jelq. 15 minutes of jelqing is about 300-400 reps maybe? Am I right? Too much.

Overtraining IMO.

Stop for a month. Let it rest.

Then start again, doing half of all these. You can keep the stretches at 10 minutes if you like. I don’t see a problem. Also do one on one off.

That’s what I would do. Your call.

4 days a week, on M/Tu/Th/F. I’m a couple days into 2 weeks off already, just now got around to posting, so I’m in recovery.

Would grip on jelqs have an impact on overtraining? I make an effort to use a very tight grip, perhaps too much? I honestly don’t like stretching, so I usually did it ten minutes lightly lol. Sometimes I skip it because I feel like I’ll hurt the head or nerves.

Heavy emphasis on grip can have a negative effect. You want to invigorate your tissue. Not crush it and move it up. This can damage small blood vessels. So, too tight can do harm and be too much intensity too soon in your routine.

There are exercises, like squeezes and clamping, that require some real torque but.. Those are for when your penis is better conditioned and your routine is ready to include them. Too much intensity is as bad as too many reps. Sounds like you had a mix of both going on, hence your dropping erection quality. It’s classic overtraining.

When you’re fully recovered and your erections and drive are normal try much less intensity on your jelq grip and also.don’t be afraid to stretch. Be gentle but firm. We all know how this can be sorta scary to do but stretching is vital for PE, especially first starting out.

I’ll lighten up my grip also then, and I do stretch, it’s just halfhearted really. I feel like 6.5” is enough, as I’ve already gotten compliments.

It’s girth I’m after. Besides, I’ll be up just over 7 inches when I’m done straightening the curve.

(Which, if anyone has suggestions on how to do this, I’d appreciate. It has been hard to find info on.)

There is only cloudy information on curve correction. I got into PE to fix my curve so let me share what I have.

First, the market claims extenders are best to fix a curve. I used to mod at the X4 forum. Some guys reported correction. Others like myself didn’t. Hangers can correct curves in certain cases, or cause them depending on how you affix the device.

However, the cause of your curve is important. Is it congenital? Due to a skin bridge? Peyronie’s? Or a bad circumcision? (Those are most common)

Second. To straighten a curve, you have to pull the penis straight. How is this done? By stretching. So.. Doing it half heartedly only hampers your ultimate goal at this point. I can’t shape your routine but.I’d give stretching more consideration if I were you. Also, stretching is often a vital warmup to any PE. Please note that as well.

Third, curve correction has exercises recommended for it. Erect Bends are way up there in priority. I have a Bundle Stretch theory based around twisting against the curve and pulling one direction.. But I’ve only seen limited success with that and erect bends.

No curve correction is going to avoid length gains. If you gain length and are still below 7.5, it’ll be very manageable for most and you’ll have a decent shot at fixing the curve.

Not sure if it’s been stated, but kill the OK grip. you really want to target the sides. Don’t over grip either; you want just enough to see your glans expand at the end of the jelq stroke.