Why majority of people consider PE to be fake

I’ve personally plateaued and I will say gains beyond my initial newbie gains have proven to be challenging.

Devices are not necessary for PE. So here at Thunder’s, many will say, me included, use devices if you like, but they are not necessary.

Pumping has been great for me as the immediate expansion is rewarding during sex.

I am continuing to experiment with different approaches to PE and personally find this forum and PE to be rewarding for more reasons than just becoming some guy with a huge dick.

So I personally am not going to try and convince you of anything otherwise.

However, this is absolutely first a PE site, and here we support one another in that endeavor. We also celebrate in our penises and promote self appreciation regardless of size, so yep, we flaunt our cock and balls. Yes, this site also has males who are sexually attracted to other males. So they get to look at a bunch of flaccid and erect penises, lucky them. We are inclusive here with sexuality on many levels. Just because a member is sexually aroused by looking at cocks does not mean he can’t contribute and doesn’t want me, you, and all other members to succeed in our goals.

If you believe PE is fake, then as you have mentioned, there are many outlets outside of Thunder’s for you to join in the anti-PE camaraderie.

Now that you have gotten your thoughts off of your chest, how might you support the community of Thunder’s Place relative to PE? Because after all, this is where you are positing, Thunder’s Place, a community committed to the exploration of PE and men’s sexual health.

Best wishes.

Little engine I look at my cock like its beautiful and I’m not gay. It’s just a fascinating organ

I came to Thunder’s looking for better EQ, what I found is more than that. I haven’t really measured since that first day but it certainly feels more substantial along with a better looking flaccid hang. I’ve stopped consuming porn as both a personal choice and due to finding that I don’t need it anymore. I have found through kegels I can have more intense orgasms. I find that I can achieve an erection without simulation but by simply relaxing and flexing a few kegels, I haven’t been able to do that since my 20’s.
I may never gain an inch in length or girth. I may never be able to last longer in the sack but I’m happier with myself, have more confidence in my ability to perform and will keep up some form of PE until the day I die.
I’m grateful to be here, I’m fortunate that this form exists and I hope to someday starting giving back through this forum with what works for me.
Thank you to the vets, admins and lurkers who have contributed and keep responding to the newbies!

Dude, change your name to BigEngine. Amazing answer.

Thanks for being so supportive and patience to answer, as so many legends on here.

You will find skeptics in many of your efforts throughout life. There are those that say that the lottery is a rip off, while each week someone is winning; that a certain diet or gym workout is bad, while month over month, someone is seeing results; or why x won't lead you to z because y didn't follow; when yes, as crazy and illogical as it seems, for some…that’s just how it is.

Seldom is the path to success in a particular endeavor a straight line. For some, the journey may be shorter/less complex, yes. But again, that’s just how it is. Some guys are born with the coveted 8” x 6” or better, just as some women are born with nice boobs and butts. Others have to work for these attributes if they want them, aaand…brace yourself, often times they have to maintain it!

This doesn’t mean that these programs don’t work. It’s just the way that it is.

I’ve concluded that PE requires a commitment and discipline, and still, the results may vary. I agree with some points that Startershiner mentioned, but disagree that PE is fake. First off, some guys really are hung and women do enjoy deep penetration. So I disagree that porn is fake and that 9”+ cocks don’t exist. I’m not sure about >10” but definitely 9”-10” cocks exist; and that’s okay. Depending on the woman, and the position, you will need at least 8.5” to reach those spots behind the cervix, because as she gets aroused (as she should) she expands. If your woman is smaller, and I’ve experienced this, and you’re high-average, you may be in luck.

I won’t debate averages but, I believe that there are many more well-hung guys out there probably too busy pleasing women to be represented in studies, PE sites, and porn. Not every hung guy is going to jump into porn. On the other end of the spectrum, there are many low average to below average guys out there who do not wish to be represented in studies, PE, and porn. So, I’ve concluded that in PE, there are mostly average guys (5”-7”) going for that added .5” – 1” in either direction. The hung guys don’t need it and those that are too small, don’t see the point.

I’ve shared what I’ve spent in another post and I was advised not to, so that’s on me. You can only be ripped off if you hand over your cash. Being ripped off is not inherent to PE.

LittleEngine: Trust me I’ve been on so many sites and have heard the no device needed statement.

I really don’t care whatever someone’s sexuality is because thats their business.

As far as Thunders being a PE community first, I thought PE is for Penis Enlargement so its nice that you guys support each other but first and foremost the main goal and reason people visit the site is for Enlargement first.

I also have pm’d you asking for advice with wearing an extender (I tried wearing my extender for hour for months with no gain) and asked you for some advice but you didnt have any to give me but I do recall you putting in a post that you laugh at people who wear an extender for hours not to long after. Is that uplifting?

What do I have to bring to thunders nothing! I won’t lie, I havent gained, and personally I don’t have any insecurity in regards to my penis. I read threads on here where guys came here because a woman commented on their penis so they are looking for enlargement or some other reason. I think women say a lot of mean things but that shouldn’t cause insecurity. If anything women are insecure also. They need to find a way to get over that because its all just mental. But are you saying instead of enlargement thunders is here to uplift these men?

I’m trying to figure it out because if someone goes to school they usually want to learn and gain knowledge as a result, the friends and camaraderie are results from being around the people. If people are here on thunders to achieve results in enlargement thats what they are here for first and foremost.

If this is just a guys club to uplift each other in regards to their penis I respect it but don’t market it as an enlargement site then.

This maybe the reason people say its fake. Now when people say its fake, they get attacked and criticized, I don’t understand why especially is very slim to no one see real gains.

If these exercises worked 100% I gaurantee you most men wouldn’t even be on this site as much because they would be busy using their bigger penis chasing sex (please note I said most not all). Also, the business folks would find ways to created tons of money with these exercises because they have the money to do it.

I give you 48 hours to pull the post where I laughed at one of our members, this is being generous.

The clock is ticking Startershiner.

Lol, and some how I am still wishing you the best!

Damianromante: There’s being a skeptic when there is absolute proof out there, and there’s being a skeptic when there’s no proof at all. The thing is with your examples you can pinpoint whats wrong or find the lottery winner if you really wanted to prove its real, but for PE you can’t. Thats the problem. I’ve looked at some so called gainers pics and clearly its after they used their device. Some even have the device on and then have a post pic next to it. If you go to the gym to do a bench press, if your technic is wrong can someone tell you its wrong yes, if you are not lifting heavy enough to gain can someone tell you, yes, if you are dieting wrong can someone tell you, yes. There are ways to figure out whats being done wrong. Everyone on here thats claiming they gained can’t tell you anything.

The philosophical quote sound nice but a woman can’t enhance their butt or boobs without getting surgery! I’m glad you made that comment because there were many breast pumps, exercises and pills for women to increase their breasts size before implants were popular and guess what they didnt work also. Hmmmm. PE exercises falls right in with what they had for women. But if you don’t gain anything what is their to maintain?

Also, in my post I stated I have PE’d for 17-18 years. I never doubted PE all those years, but after stepping back and thinking about it I havent had any results so it does not work. I did is all those years trying to quench my curiousity, and also just listening to everyone say it takes time. But after letting that drive me and finally stopping to think clearly and revist the pm’s asking everyone for advice and receiving empty broad comments, I came to this conclusion.

But you made comments on why people shouldn’t feel its fake but you bring nothing to the table in regards to PE having any results.

And No in order for someone to get ripped off cash is not needed. So nice try with the nice sounding quote again.

Here the whats funny. Someone started this thread in regards to PE being fake. I commented supporting it. Everyone that has responded to me has said nothing representing their side as it works. I received the usual comment oh he doesnt believe, as every other person receives.

How do you know something is true? You try it and get the results wanted, others replicate it and get the results. There’s concrete proof/evidence. In your examples early if it did not involve luck there was concrete proof it works.

LittleEngine: I’m not 10 years old my friend. I’m am not going to play childish games. If you have something of value to bring to the post do so if not keep trolling/gaslighting.

If you want to find that post you can. If memory serves me correct its in a thread where Kyrpa is speaking about ultrasound. Happy findings.

Nothing in life is black and white.

I’m still waiting for you to cough up my laughing members.

If you are able to find it, I will apologize, and I will do better.

If not, you are out.

The clock is still ticking.

Ultrasound, I’m a big fan and very curious about it. I wish I had more time to explore.

Why would you shame me?

Again, pull the post.

Clock is ticking. You made the claim, I’ve made none.

LittleEngine: Please re-read my comment. You will find your answer there. If you can’t find it, that maybe the issue.

Shame on u