Why majority of people consider PE to be fake

I havent read every post here, but I have read a large amount of them. I am unaware of any thread where someone congratulated another for regaining the size lost over time and calling it new growth.

What I am aware of is the many posts where we state that often the first growth is from restoration of EQ getting back to where you once where. Restoration of lost length is not new growth. In many cases newbies never measured so they do not have a firm understanding of their starting measurement. In those cases improved EQ maybe misconstrued for newbie gains.

This is why we regularly tell newbies to get a good starting measurement, and pics- even if they do not plan on posting any pics.

My comments come off contradictory because they included responses from the previous posts. As you can see I’m long winded and there’s tons more I can type but this is my way of keeping it short. In regards to the making money on the industry it was answering some of post number 2.

As far as why I did PE so long its because as someone mentioned in the post, usually when I spoke to someone the response is oh I didnt see results for a year and a half or 6 months is not enough time to see results. As you can see the amount of years build quickly, and yes there were decon breaks some years because I was advised that also. I like to reach goals so I can do this for years to come until I see results but after so long I’m starting to rethink if its worth it (which only I and no one else can answer).

I used to be part of another forum and after never receiving any solid advice I joined thunders. To be honest I havent learned anything from my posts or pm’s with others also. Although thunders is a free forum I thought I could come here for advice but thats where LittleEngine’s comment on what this site made me second think what this site may really be about.

If you are being serious I don’t think its that worth it. Women really don’t care about penis size. Women are mental and love when you are just naturally yourself. I’ve spoke to a woman who loved sex with a man that had 5inches more than her boyfriend who had a 9 inch penis. I would ask her daily how is that possible and she really couldn’t explain it. If a woman is into you everything from sex or just the moment they are with you is the best.

I’m not telling you to have the pmma thing done or not but anything under the knife is major, and personally believe me after a woman has been with a “big penis” it just becomes that.

First off what I will say is YES! When I pm’d you, you did respond and answer each time. So for that I will say thanks and retract my comment. I went back and read my pm’s and it was another member I was mistaking you for.

The issue with our pm I had was I know how to put on the extender which I explained elaborarelt in our email this in turn is what you explained to me. You then suggested I add tension which when I did I explained to you when I add tension my penis just get extremely firm, and it was not an erection. You did not touch on if I that was a positive or negative, but you did respond to me asking do you feel the stretch in your base or shaft. I ddint feel it in either of those places and the rock hard feeling in the extender was never touched upon so I contacted another member.

Here is a pm I had with someone awhile ago questioning PE after years. This was their response. My apologies to the member as I didnt ask their permission to post this:

“Hey, there.

I have been doing PE for well over 5yrs. I have talked with the experts, on TP, and followed all of their advise and still have not gained anything. IMHO, PE works on a select few but not everyone. Perhaps it is genetics.. I do not know. I have spoke to hundreds of guys on TP and many give up after a year or two because they did not see the gains they wanted. Everyone is different, so I cannot say you will see results or not. You won’t know until you try. Remember, PE is a journey not a race.

I still continue with PE only because it helps with my ED. If I am vigilant then most of the ED goes away temporarily and I can be intimate with my wife. Without PE, I’d be a wet noodle (best term I could think of).

I hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions. I’d be happy to answer and help.”

1) Posting PM’s without both person’s agreement is frowned upon, even if you do not post the other’s name. PM stands for either Personal Message or Private Message and the sharing of it is a violation of that trust.

2) Using PM’s to search for information is also a bad practice. This is a forum where we are all trying to either learn or share information to better our PE journey. In almost all but the very unique situations, the questions being asked are questions that others have, also. By posting a question in a forum other members will also benefit from the answers. A question placed in a forum will almost always return multiple responses, which provides a more rich environment for questioners to understand their issue and perhaps determine more than one path forward for them.

We are community, I cannot touch on what I don’t understand or what I don’t have experience with. In PE, I help where I can, based on the experience that I have. I will often recommend at the end of my posts that it is important to reach out to other members and begin a progress thread to benefit from the collective of experience from our many members.

I can see the last PM where I spoke about strapping in, I do agree that I might have missed the mark on that one. That does happen for all of us from time to time, but I tried to support you.

I’m one of those dudes that does PE for me, as I do believe becoming a better lover at one’s current size is a much easier endeavor than trying to increase ones size through PE. In addition, I agree that women don’t need some huge cock to have a great experience in the bedroom.

However, for those like me who want to work on the size of their cocks, we are here and supportive.

Thanks for the reminder.

But regardless of rereading my pm’s being a bad practice, does that take away from what the person statement is saying?

Posting PE is fake in a forum about PE doesnt get you an open discussion, it gets you attacked, and question what you have done to try and gain results. Go through other posts about PE being fake and see how fast the original poster was chased out.

Even with this thread there’s not much substance to prove that it works or is not fake. Damianromante had some well responses thought out responses.

Reread your responses you came to the defense of LE, then you spoke on a pm I had with someone else and refuted that. Is that having a discussion about PE being fake or not?

For the most part a common theme I’m reading in this thread is that PE is a community where people come to socialize.

I bring back the pm I posted earlier, the gentleman has been doing PE for 5 years, has spoken to experts and has not had gains. He also has spoke to hundreds of people who gave up on PE because it did not work for them. But does everyone voice the fact that PE does not work no. Why because it would be a waste of time and no benefit from arguing online on if something works or not.

If you cared to read my original thread. I mentioned I’m starting to think PE is fake like others comment. I stated directly that when people mention PE is fake or maybe fake they get attacked.

What I would like to know is how many years have you been doing PE? What were your gains overall? What were your gains yearly?

Ok, with that being said, can you picture me asking many vets or experts similar question and them offering the generic advice. After years it will be questioned. Perhaps the fact that no one knows exactly whats going on, or if true gains were made, maybe that is the reason PE is not embraced by scientist or doctors or many others are saying its fake.

Here’s the thing about PE its nothing new. I remember in the early days of size curiosity I ordered pills from a company name p**solutions. They sent me pills and the same exact exercises that every forum has with stretching and jelquing including this one. After going through 3 months with no gains I quit. I didnt care because it was out of curiosity I was doing the exercise amd pills, also, I was 7 in length before and still after. But I did call them and they refunded me my money and disabled my account with the exercises. I then began to search online and found the same exercises out there for a price on a site but I never paid, I continued to search for the information and I found a forum that had the exact workouts similar to this but free and in its infancy stage.

If you wanted to have a serious conversation you would have started by saying “PE does not work for me”

If you want to be a troll and start a flame war you start with “PE is fake”. You aren’t being attacked because of this opening statement because you opened with an attack. Any response after your opening is just defense.

No if you read my post the first line says I’m starting to think PE is fake like others said. But since I didnt say it the way you would like it worded thats trolling?

I provided a pm that showed another person with their own thoughts, thats trolling right, yup ok.

I did ask how long you have been PE’ing for? What were your gains for that period?

Care to answer or is that trolling also?

Semantics. Your entire post was anti PE and you even stated that trying to change your mind would be a waste of time. Everyone is here voluntarily. If you do not see value in the community you are free to leave and not return.

No one is under any obligation to try and change your mind by sharing their particular stories or by any other manner, even if you had not already stated it was a waste of time to do so.

If you do not think PE works, you are free to have your own opinion. When you start on the attack/trolling/gas lighting/flaming then you are also welcome to leave and not return.

Once again you sidestep the question.

As I stated earlier which you are proving with each reply if someone does not agree with your view or the communities view that PE works then you attack them. You are replying to my posts as if it bothers you but you are free to not respond also.

You are free to say something of value but what are you doing? You won’t answer any question that I ask but as you can clearly see in your responses you choose to pick a comment that you can try to attack which has no value to the subject at hand.

No one is under obligation to change anyone’s mind on this forum but as LittleEngine and others have stated if this is a community. I would hope that people can bring something of value to the table and not attack someone for having an opinion unpopular to the some Or majority of the members belief.

The subject at hand is your undermining of the community of PE followers.