Why majority of people consider PE to be fake

Ok, if you know where it is, find it and present it to us.

If memory serves correct, couph it up.

I am inspired by kyrpra and all those who follow.

I’m looking for my opportunity to contribute to their adventure.

If that is where you found me laughing at members, then show us.

Don’t put people down to prove a point.

That is not nice.

Believe in your friends and the people around you.

Lets lift each other up, not drag each other down.

We got this Startershiner.

BTW, show the post.

Tuesday the 19th.

I know that you can find it!

Well……

We got this Startershiner!

@Startershiner

I am too inexperienced relatively speaking to challenge your opinions on PE. I backed your thoughts that I agreed with (size), and tried to reinforce the areas where you have doubts using logical examples. Thank you for the point on breast implants, I never knew that.

I agree with your point on technique. The difference is that weightlifting is a public activity and PE, not so much. So it may be difficult for one to offer the type of support that you are seeking. I would imagine that even if you provided a video, it would be difficult for one to offer anything other than broad guidance because how would he know what you are feeling and the limits of your anatomy.

I am not coming to the defense of PE, there are areas that I question too. Which is why I found your reply to the original post interesting. I believe that anatomical limits exist, but I can’t back this up with data, so it is just my opinion. Likewise, without being able to confirm or contest reported gains, your experience with PE is a personal one. Based on my thinking, maybe you are already at your anatomical limit. I’ve read things such as stretching your tunica and they don’t sound like good ideas. But, I can’t say that they don’t work because of my own apprehension and ignorance on the matter.

I think that initially, LE’s simple point was maybe not go to a porn site and comment how you’ve developed a disdain for it after years of indulging. Every community would like for its members to believe in the mission or collective goals of the community. I don’t think it was an attack.

Most specifically to the point of PE. In three or so months I am measuring an additional .25”-.50” in girth. I can’t point to any one thing because I did jelq, pump, kegel…etc. So I would not be able to make this “repeatable”. I don’t want to digress, but imagine treating the common cold. There are so many home remedies out there, everyone says that this or that one works. It’s all anecdotal and could be chalked up to coincidence or luck. Maybe, if nothing was done, the illness would run it’s course in the same amount of time.

Your opinions and experiences are valid, because they are yours. Just consider that others have their own experiences.

You are the troll here.

I looked back at some of your earlier posts. You stated that you had 650 hrs in an extender over 2.5 months. Quite impressive of the surface. You then stated you could never get an tension on it. No matter how much you unscrewed the adjustments, you always had three tension marks. Other members tried to explain to you how to properly use the extender, after which you said you were going to continue as is for a couple more months.

So after ignoring guidance from more experienced members you were basically using the weight of the extender to stretch your penis and then were puzzled why you never had any gains.

Hmmm.

To me, Thunders is most certainly Our Community and one which we show support for each other on various levels. Yes, it is all centered around growing our Dicks and fostering the health of out units, amongst other things.

PE definitely works for me and I am grateful for being a part of the Community. I do my small piece to share what I have learned when someone newer asks. Heck, I’m still a Newbie but we all help each other out. I learned so much because I search this site constantly and take the feedback others offer to heart.
There is so much more to learn and so much which is still being developed and monitored with an extremely scientific approach.

Little Engine has always been a very supportive person and has always helped moderate situations in a peaceful manner. As he says, “Thunder Cocks Unit”.

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I find this part to be the most interesting of everything you had to say. On one hand you complain about everything being an advertisement, including this site. Which i guess is your way of eluding to the fact that you believe this all hot air backed by people who just want your money. And then you go on to contradict this by arguing that PE of course cant be real because if it were there would be ‘money hungry’ business selling ‘stuff’. Its so oddly contradictory its difficult for me to understand your issue between the two;
A. Business sell programs/equipment, which you then believe means its all a shill for some quick money?
B. Business don’t sell programs/equipment, which then makes you believe it must not work because if it did there would be a market?

Regardless of my inability to understand your thoughts on the matter, the only other thing i dont understand is why you would continue to do PE, join forums, or buy equipment over the course of 18 years if don’t find it as a legitimate concept. Seems like an awful lot of commitment (time, energy, and money) to something that you get practically no benefit from. Hell, I can promise you ive gained from PE and even i find myself taking long breaks from both PE and even more so from the forum, I feel if I believed this whole…. concept was … a bunch of BS I wouldn’t even be aware thunders existed much less take the time to discuss the matter. However thats not to dismiss your opinion, I just find it strangely interesting I guess.

It sounds like you have invested quite A LOT into PE and unfortunately your investments were not realized, the one thing you should consider however is thats exactly why thunders is a great place for most to find as they journey into the world of PE, and this is for many reasons;
1. New members are urged to do a routine that cost exactly nothing. 0 upfront fees. No advertisement, no big company manipulating money from their pockets, no hidden agenda. Just a simple routine that many of users found that can potentially put them on the right path. And if it doesnt work, they lose nothing for having tried.
2. Its a meld of information from users all around the glob working together to maybe…maybe find ways to truly grow. Many things dont work, some claim certain things do work, others claim they dont. But in the end there is a mountain of information to explore and discuss, so for those who have a vested interest in trying this is without a doubt a great place to be. It far exceeds any research put out by a company trying to shill a product.

Again hopefully things workout for you and you find your Goldilocks and if not… well it sounds like your more than happy with what youve got so in the end is there really any foul to you if it didnt work out?

I’m personally at my wits end and ready to take a loan out and get 3 sessions of pmma. I been at PE for 12 years with periods were I was dedicated to a routine for a full year with 0 results. The only results I ever seen where temporary from my bath mate and the feeling of walking around with 5.5 inch inc girth for a day is amazing but the problem with the bath mate is, it can affect my erections and its pointless to have a thick soft penis so I cut down on my use of it

But over a 12 year period I probably clocked in over 1500 hours inside of it with and without a vacuum vin

I’m not sure what PMMA is, but if it isn’t natural, then it isn’t worth it. I understand where you are coming from but there are other options. Get to know your partner, introduce more freakiness, riskiness, friskiness; women love this. She will get off like crazy.

I’m still all in, I guess I don’t know what I don’t know yet. But there is a point where you come to terms. At my highest arousal I am 8” x 5.5”. Some days now, I’m only 7”. My hope is to make 8” the normal which is more of an EQ and mental thing. If I can magically get to 6” girth, that would be awesome. But I don’t think its realistic to hope for 8.5” x 6.5” or more.

This is OT but relevant so I think its okay to put here.
Honestly speaking, before PE I was most commonly 7” x 5” (5.25” at best). I even went through a period during my divorce where at best I was 6.5” x 5”. I realized then that although I moved as if I was fine, I was stressed. I kept measuring, it was always the same. But guess what, my woman at the time was so in to me that she got off all the time. She was always horny and whether by my touch or by penetration she was always cumming. I seldom if ever performed oral. This is all truth. I used to think that she was faking, but learned otherwise. On nights when I was just too tired or stressed from a day at work, she would masturbate and ask me to talk dirty to her, just the sound of my voice got her off. Literally, she was the initiator on most every occasion. It may sound fake, but it is so true. As I type this, I look back and wonder why did I leave her; but that’s a different conversation.

So, find the one that’s into you like crazy. if she’s always horny for you, she is into on a level that far surpasses size.

so you always had a big penis and just wanted bigger and your telling me not to resort to pmma which is permanent fillers for girth done in Mexico with lots of testimonies, just so I can get to the size you weren’t satisfied with yourself. I don’t like that logic

I want a decent size penis and I’m really not interested in having a long term partner, call it a mental thing but a bigger penis is for me and no one else

So I’m gonna continue my journey and if it resorts in very expensive fillers then so be it

Oh. I missed the mark on this one, my bad bro. I don’t consider myself as big. That’s not me fishing for compliments, that is from personal experience with some women not being satisfied and communicating as much. No, not all, but some.

Man to man, that’s your call, suit yourself. But as comrades on this journey, I’ve read success stories and horror stories with fillers and it seems that when things go bad, they really go bad. Unlike breast implants that can be removed, these fillers don’t seem to be reversible. I wouldn’t be a principled man if I didn’t advise in line with my beliefs. But this is just my view. I hope that you find a procedure that can be reversed if need be and protect your quality of life in all other aspects.

Take it or leave it, either way, success brother!

DR

Yes, I have been doing PE for months. Yes, that was an example of that time period of what was going on. If you do the math I believe that period was last summer around July, I do hope you know that there were lots of months after July to bring us up to today which is January.

So yes that period when I decided to get back in the extender that was an issue. Then I later figured out how to get more tension.

Now lets talk about the why. Well that happened because years ago when I first started using tension (two lines covered) didnt work! Then when I decided to start back up earlier in 2020 I read forums and pm’d people where many people stated don’t worry about tension. Then after so many hours of extending with no tension I pm’d someone in here asking what should I be seeing for progress in which I was told I am not seeing what I need because of tension. So from there I tried to figure out how to get tension on the extender again.

With that being said the very few posts I put on here were just when I had a question, I pm people more than I have posted. As stated before I have been doing PE for 17/18 years do you think two and a half months explains everything I have done over those many years?

As for trolling please understand what I stated. I made the trolling comment because LE is trying to entice me to go find the post for that statement.

So hope what I stated will clarify your thoughts on my experience.

Please find it, you said I laughed at members who wear extenders for hours a day. I don’t laugh at our members, I try to be supportive. In fact I wear an extender for hours myself. Yes, you made the claim, now please go to Kyrpa’s thread where you believe it exist and find it.

I just reviewed our PM’s, I responded every time and tried to support you. I was the last one to respond in our exchange. I wish what I had offered was more helpful for you.

I have been respectful to you, you just don’t appreciate me challenging you as to how you can support us in our exploration of PE.

I’m sorry that me and others could not be of more help to you, but don’t make false claims about me in an effort reinforce your point.

I respect your comments and your point of view. The thing is this no one knows what is going on. The professional doctors and scientist havent figured this out.

An example is a member who I spoke to in this forum who was older. He lost size over years and then he started to do PE and gained a majority of it back. People were congratulating him on gaining but my opinion (and I chose the word opinion purposefully because its my view) is that he didnt gain. To get the inches back that you lost is not a gain to me.

Your comment about technique is interesting because although PE might not be public, are we not on this forum to learn technique and what we should be looking for? I understand it might be difficult to tell but here is an example of what I see: a person says I am doing manual stretches what should I look for to know I am doing the stretches right. No, one really can tell you or they would just say its varies. I know when I first started PE I was told do an exercise for 2 weeks. I asked why two week, am I going to see growth it any changes. I was told most likely I won’t see growth but that should be long enough to show you that you’re on the right path. So I asked how would I know if its to much or too little, etc etc and no one can answer.

I understand everyone is different and thats why I gave the example of the gentleman who gained back what he lost when he was younger. We don’t know if anyone is actually gaining, or losing the fat pad, or what the issue might be.

I have read posts for years where people have polls and a majority say they gained nothing to a quarter. What does this tell me, on the bell curve a majority of people don’t gain and the one’s that do are the minorities/small percentage. This is fair to believe in my opinion. Now in order to understand why they have gained someone would have to look further into their penis composition, health, weight or whatever it may be. But if the majority are not gaining then its safe to say it doesnt work for the general public (same concept with breast enlargement exercises).

I don’t have any issues with LE, as stated before if this site is not about enlargment don’t market it as that. And contrary to people’s belief I don’t have a disdain for it. I simply said after years if PE I am starting to agree that its fake. If someone as yourself has gained then congratulations to you and I mean that seriously. I just feel if there is a group that feels PE is fake why attack them, this site is marketed as enlargement so people may have tried it, ask for help, and come to the conclusion that its not doesnt work. Combine that with medical facts then you have what people believe. I don’t think anyone comes here thinking this doesnt work they are open to try it.

Heck there’s articles with men and women in porn speaking about men doing clamping (stripper men explain they tie off their penis to constrict the blood in there so that it appears bigger when dancing), and pumping for years with no gains.