Why majority of people consider PE to be fake

Also you are inferring that by me stating how many years I have done to PE I am saying OTS a waste of time. But if you read my original post you would see one of my points is when someone say PE doesnt work or its fake members attack them by saying they havent done it for awhile. Which is why that comment was made (to let people know that wasn’t the case). So please if you are going to read my comments read it with an open mind and to understand. Thanks.

If you chose to believe thats the case so be it.

But if challenging the efficacy of a theory threatens a whole community then what is this community really?

A community lf PE followers, not a community of anti-PE believers. You don’t advance the community by trying to tear it down.

Feel free to challenge the theories. We do that all the time around here. Just keep it civil and not personal. We all get a little triggered now and then. We have to recognize it and get back to objectivity. I included.

I think our concern, as 32 is mentioning, is that you are not just challenging the elements of specific theories; you are moving on to challenging the validity of any member who has stated size gains from PE.

As I said in my initial post, we are a community, a community centered around the progression of PE.

If you are not here to support our progress and journeys, then I go back to my earlier question; I’m just curious as to what your goals are at Thunder’s?

If your goal is to hang out and spend the rest of your days here challenging any of us who state gains, well, one might consider that a form of trolling.

No attack here, just conversation.

My hope is for you to find positive ways to support our community. So maybe civilly debate a theory here and there. Maybe help a guy out who thinks his self worth is tied up in the size of his manhood; many of our members need to hear positive lifts on that subject from time to time.

But might you respect that you are at Thunder’s Place, a PE site? Find positive ways to move us forward.

By the way, you still haven’t brought forward that example of where you said I laughed at members. Maybe that comment doesn’t exist and you were wrong to say such. I’m not going to bring it up again, but I figure I was justified to ask for proof of such a comment since it was my fingers you claimed it came from.

It is best to jelq with 2 hands.
More practice, less typing, 🤪.

I can say that PE is working for me, legit cemented gains in length and girth and improved EQ.

I can say that I Appreciate being a Member of this Community. I have learned a lot and have received a tremendous amount of support.

Punch each other in the face, shake hands, have a beer, laugh, move on.

Peace

The response was from a singular post you had made earlier, regardless I wasn’t using that as a way to trap you or your arguments. I just wanted to address it so I could try to clarify your perspective on the matter, and your opinions on PE as whole.

Same for the time, I understand that once you get into something time can become inconsequential and next thing you know your 10 years into the deep end. Again its just mainly an interesting point of discussion for me. As you mentioned yourself, and I wholeheartedly agree, there are people who get into PE all of the time and eventually disappear for one reason or another and lack of gains can be fairly common reason. I can only speak to my perspective on the matter, but for myself, the only reason I shilled a 150 bucks on a high end pump and set time aside to do so is purely because I get something from it, and im not sure I would do any of this or be here today if the jelqing and stretching in my early 20s proved to be fruitless. Again though this is really neither here nor there, just by comparing myself to your own sentiments I though it would be worth pointing out.

This last part, i brought up because you have mentioned a few times of redefining Thunders as not a site about PE or growth, and I think that is a disingenuous statement to make. My point was that regardless of your results it does not change the purpose of Thunders. LE statement was not made to change the concept of what the site is either. The point is that at the end of the day Thunders is a forum, meaning it will always be a free and open discussion with thousands of mixing opinions, ideas and experiences; and there is no one way to do PE. No one size fits all, and it is in each members best interest to remember that sometimes the best advice can only be support. This explains as well, why when you had issues or questions there will be times you might feel as though no one can give you a proper answer; but unless someone was there with you every day observing the same experiences you were going through there are bound to be gaps in understanding and helpful conclusions. Not to mention that at best we have to find a way to translate our experiences into words well enough that they can convey any meaning to again the thousands of different people who may come across them. So yes support can come at the for front of a lot of discussions, and I think that’s merely a result of people wanting to help, but in many cases their own experiences or knowledge do not align closely enough with person in need to properly diagnose or resolve the situation. Again I digress, but this does not change that there are new post everyday of people trying to spark new methods, routines, or share concepts focused on one thing…Growth from PE.

I actually appreciate when people such as yourself are willing to take the time to open threads that discuss pitfalls in PE. Especially the biggest one of all ‘no gains’. The only reason I wanted to step in and point some of the things out to you that I did, is because I think your energy is a bit misdirected. Rather than trying to prove that you “think PE is fake”, or that members said this or that to you, you could help many of more members by sharing your routines and experiences. Things you noticed over the course of 18 years that another member might be going through right now. You seem to have a pretty solid head on your shoulders regardless, and the response you gave to Unhung regarding the surgery proves that, and comments such as the one you left are far more beneficial than what most of this thread has devolved to.

The answer is because the middle of the road society is as dull as dish water and it drives me insane. Name anything where magic happens in the middle of the road. The only thing I can think of (and please don’t try this at home kids) is literally lying in the middle of the road for the adrenaline rush. If any cutting age stuff happens it is usually far away from the barely sentient mainstream as 99% of society have been taught since birth to conform, not to think for themselves critically and just accept their lot. 9-5, wash, rinse and repeat until you are dead. Think about it, society as we know it runs on the vast majority of people having major problems as that is what keeps the cogs grinding in the capitalist pretty hate machine.

Trust me, if having a big cock caused major problems and by that I mean life or death problems, Penis Enhancement would be discussed on every street corner. But, apart from being able to insert a big dong fully into your chosen orifices, PE doesn’t cause problems where key players can make even more obscene amounts of cash, as you don’t need anything to get 3 inches more on your pecker, other than time, dedication, perseverance, patience, a hand and arm and some coconut butter. All those things are free, well the coconut butter is a few dollars but that’s hardly going to make Jeff Bezos take note.

I feel bitter as 99.9% of the time I usually can see through the naysayer bullshit, but I’ll admit they had me on the “There’s no way you can increase the size of your penis” crap. Well, at the ripe old age of 52 , and going by a site that shows scientic penis size measurements on a bell curve of: 5% of men are extra small; 20% are small; 50% are average; 20% are large and 5% are lucky b***tards, I’ve gone from a small flaccid of 3 inch bone pressed to 4.5 inch flaccid bone pressed in just under 4 weeks taking me to the large flaccid top 25% of men!

I’ve never done any PE before in my life, I’ve had a painful wart reappear on my cock (maybe because jelqing even stimulates viral growth as well as cellular activity and renewal, who knows) which as seriously impeded my ‘milking’ pressure, and the gadgets (which I won’t name as I don’t want a would be PE recruit reading this and coming to the conclusion I have a monetary incentive) were a complete mystery to me and I’ve had to adapt to the pressure they exert. So you could say I’ve just finished dick boot camp and I’ve already added 50% to my at ease soldier. My penis has just been accepted for the SAS which is where the real fun begins. So, yes, as far as I’m concerned penis extension is a validated fact, and considering there’s nothing special about me, just a regular dude, I can without any hesitation say that not only does Penis Enhancement work, but it has the potential to make you feel like you’ve entered some weird alternate reality which is exactly the same but you have (a relative to the old dimension you) a big ol’ tallywhacker.

So, to conclude, penis enhancement DOES increase overall volume of your penis, in fact, to a smile inducing degree and the naysayers can be sent packing with their heads held low. And, to bring this full circle, PE is not more mainstream as it solves problems (feeling inadequate in my case, less of a man, etc.) freely or modestly and the key players in our capitalist it’s so bleak I want to hang myself world can’t make a snowball hurtling down a never ending hill obscene amount of cash from your bigger cock endeavour. Consequently, the societal gods, won’t instruct their automatonic minions to grow bigger penises in a truthful scientifically and bullshit free manner as they may just start feeling optimistic about themselves, realise modern society is as fake as the wizard of Oz and spend less cash as they realise that the happiest people on this rock are probably some obscure tribe in a country with no resources, hence unraped by western ‘civilization’, that have been tying rocks to their dicks since birth and can fuck any of the always naked tribal women with their maxed out schlongs.

The future is bright, the future is BDE (Big Dick Energy).

21st Dec 2020: BP flaccid 3 inch, stretched BP flaccid 5.75 inch
21st Jan 2021: BP flaccid 4.5 inch, stretched bone pressed 6.3 inch

This message could not have been articulated better. Naysayers that do nothing and try nothing except their daily 9-5 routine, yet challenges/shoots down every idea. Ten years later they are envious of those who did. The comfort zone is a powerful drug whose effects deceive it’s addicts into believing that they are comfortable and safe. The entire construct of our society is a facade, behind the curtain we’re still in the jungle where the rules of survival of the fittest and natural selection prevail.

Your package is one of nature’s “separators” because with no education required, both men and women in a group will respect it.

I discovered PE at 47 because of ED, but I can’t help but think what if I had discovered this 15 years ago, 20 years ago, hell three years ago when a lot of the buzz started to get around. How would my interactions have changed. I’m okay with starting now and I like the results that I see.

BDE all day!

Variables are the problem. It is a fact that PE works for some but not for everybody. Just pulling on your dick won’t work for everybody. We have to consider so many variables like diet and exercise. Supplements and biology. Genetics and DNA. We alall know the basics, heat, tension and time but there’s more to consider for the hard or no gainers.

Try to be considerate and kind to people who are frustrated that PE hasn’t worked for then.

Agreed, there are definitely a lot lot of variables.

I wanted to add another post about variables, consider heating methods. Dry heat vs wet heat, temperature minimum vs maximum. Rice sock vs electric heating pad. Infrared light vs ultrasound. How long should heat be applied.

Variables for stretching.

Variables for time while under tension. Days on or off. Decondition breaks.

It is endless the amount of variables to pursue doing PE.

Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a ten step proven method of PE that guaranteed gains for everyone.

We are in the process of doing exactly that with the Ultrasound technology. The idea is not necessarily rely strictly in ultrasound, but in any source that can successfully bring the tissues to the temperature scientifically proven to provide the changes desired in the structure.

For this process we need as much anecdotal experience as possible. And since the foundation of the therapy is already laid out, the data is being collected to tweak the therapy in a way that can provide more efficient and universal results.

Maybe because some ppl want to sell their surgeries and pills and some useless and similar shit.

I keep harping on on a few threads about how PE seems to me, identical to the principles I used to become flexible for martial arts. I fell in love with what are called static stretches as they just felt so relaxing to me and a fun challenge. Now I started with, probably below average flexibility and in say 6 months I could do go beyond 180 degree box splits.

Now if somebody came into the gym and saw me doing the splits it would be a silly argument to say that the old bald guy can do the splits only because he’s stretched his tendons, with a leg stretcher. No shit. Same if someone pumps their cock and can reach 8 inches for 24 hours after. They still have a 8 inch cock and the recipient of the 8 incher won’t give a shit if it’s natural or not.

I used to be really into weight training and when I trained legs I used to dread going into the gym as I knew the almost puke inducing effort it would take to continue to improve. Now PE is fun, it’s not hard and can easily be fit into most men’s lives.

To say it doesn’t work, befuddles me. I only tried PE as a scientific experiment, and although I tried to keep an open mind, I didn’t expect it to work because well, if it did the genie would be out of the bottle by now, surely. I was totally and utterly wrong.

My own penis started to scare me after 2 weeks of not knowing what the hell I was doing with the PE exercises. I looked at my flaccid in a small mirror we have, and thought, that would be nice if my cock was that big, too bad it’s on the 3 times magnification side - it wasn’t.

I wish PE didn’t work as 30 years ago I was going to try and grow my cock, but the ‘experts’ said it was impossible, and I stupidly believed the middle of the road drivel. PE not working would have validated by decision all those years ago, I want to know that all those years I had a complex about not measuring up and my not taking action to remedy my shortcomings was the right decision, god damn it! But, my decision some 3 decades ago, was the wrong choice as PE DOES work, and then some. And it not only works it’s a fun challenge to me, and it’s something I will continue to do until the day I die, as it isn’t a chore, it’s a pleasure.

I’ve seen quite a bit over the years and thought PE was only available through surgery. Finding this page has been extremely enlightening. While much of the evidence is anecdotal and you are trusting someone to be honest about their PE journey, there are many genuinely good people throughout this forum. Being new to PE and going on my third month, I will say that I have experienced growth. A quarter inch on length and girth was observed after the second month. Whether these are newbie gains or better EQ can be argued. My EQ was pretty good prior to starting but I’m sure it plays a factor. I see that some folks go months and years without any change and I’ve been fortunate to see growth early. I’ve been married for 16 years and my wife has zero complaints prior and actually is worried I’ll get too big which is kind of funny. I can only speak for myself when saying that PE has worked and seems to still be working for me. Doubtful that any meaningful research will be done in the near future so bro science will have to do for now.