Using Your Body To Better Read Gains ?

I may have my anatomy wrong, and if so, please tell me. If I am correct, successful ligament stretching = length gains but it’s kind of hard to read that ligament without actually doing PE. After a little reading I started wondering , is it possible to get a better read on your penile ligament by using the readings on the other ligs in your body ? Maybe the rest of your ligaments will let you know ahead of time if you’d be a fast or slow length gainer , how loose or tight your ligament might be starting off at , how prone you are to injury , etc etc. Anybody have any input ?

There have been many theories on what causes gains. I think they are great for the discussion and they might help you when you work on more advanced routines.

However, if you are starting PE, I think you should forget about all of that. Understand that the beginner routine works for almost everyone. Don’t worry about how it works. Just understand that it works. Start with that. Build slowly. Get a feel for what your body is telling you as you slowly start increasing that routine over time.

Then after you have done this for awhile start worrying about the theories.

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Imagine being a young child and not understanding the science of how you can run. Yet guess what, you still have the ability to run, even though you don’t know all the science. Then when you are older and you are working to become an elite athlete, then you start looking into theories and more advanced training programs that can make you go faster.

Im new but I’m not, been behind the scenes for many years, since before science proved this works haha, which I’m glad it did. Ive done pe on and off, made gains and lost them from inconsistency. I’m not too worried about a routine, I’m solid on a routine and when to up or down my exercise intensity, although I did read the beginner guide for any educational merit it may have had. That’s why I’m making theories.

I’m new to the forum, not to the world of PE. My theory hopefully is one that can be applied to first timers to better understand their body before starting, help them learn what to expect from themselves physically and tailor a personal guideline for taking it slow or being a little more intense safely. Its said everybody is different and gets different reactions from PE. No penis is the same, well maybe their is a theory that can be applied for every individual to more easily discover their differences. An easier way to become intune with your body for those that have trouble with it.

Bib had a theory that those who injured themselves easier would gain faster. However, there is almost no way of proving that without collecting a ton of data. Even with that info, I don’t think it could prove anything without eliminating variables.

There is a big debate over the years here, if ligament stretching does anything for gains. I think this primarily started within the hanging community or at least with people that are against hanging. However, again this is a big debate and nothing is proven.

All we have are theories and nothing has been proven as far as I know. The only thing that I am positive of is that gains are possible. It also seems that people gain using different methods and training regimens. I do wonder if there is a most effective way, or does it depend on the individual. Can we lump people into groups that gain best with certain methods.

To me the biggest problem is there are so many variables and people don’t do the best job of tracking things. Plus so many things are subjective. Then you throw in poor measuring techniques, erection quality, liars and commercial interests.

I am curious how you are going to test the other ligaments in your body. If you did find a way of testing the other ligaments in the body then you need to compare that with other people that PE. Then you need good starting measurements and making sure that multiple people are doing almost identical routines. Then you need to categorize many different variables that also might affect gains. You need to do your best to either eliminate those variables or group people by all the different variables so you are comparing only the ligament differences. Then you need to draw a comparison with however you are defining ligament differences to gains that have been made. Then cross your fingers that people measured accurately, actually followed the routine, and that there are no liars in your study. Plus hopefully nobody identifies another variable that you didn’t take into account that throws all your theories into question.

Then after all that, you have identified that someone is a fast or slow gainer. Which they could probably figure out just by doing PE.

Sorry to come off harsh. I just think people come up with to many bro science theories. If we stumble on something that works, that is great. But I don’t think we should be planning regimens or telling people things won’t work based on total outlandish theories. Not saying you where doing that.

I have been toying with an idea that I will probably never act upon. A giant tracking log for the individual. It tracks your starting stats, your weight, your body fat%. Your routine, the tools you use, time under tension, the sets, on and on. Every variable that people come up with, we would just add this to the app.

On the user end this is just like a calorie counter / exercise app. But on the other side we allow the users here access to all the data. Actually start crunching the numbers. Does weight / tension have more or less importance than time under tension. Is pumping more effective than clamping? Are some methods more effective at certain stages in the PE career? Are some methods a complete waste of time? Does heat actually help with gains? Is there a most effective source of heat?

The amount of variables that we are dealing with is huge. If we really wanted to find the most effective method possible or perhaps the most effective method possible for a certain group, we would need to collect huge amounts of data. Regretfully I will probably never get off my ass and get this rolling.

But in my opinion these debates will keep going round and round until we have something like this collecting the data and then a group of people with theories actually crunching those numbers.

A data recording app would be amazing, have it request monthly data be sent out, then use it to help better determine different theories accuracy. The only problem would be like you said, liars and lobbyists skewing the information. There is so many of us out there that are legitimate, if only we could combine our knowledge to solve these questions indefinitely. If you make a stat tracking app, im down. If it managed to be successful so much guess work could be removed.

Also , that theory of bibs makes sense. Injury comes from extreme over use , that’s true for any muscle/tendon/ligament in the body. If you’re prone to injury I would imagine it happens because they reached the work out goal much sooner than others so they keep going un knowingly leading to injury. That could assist in fast gaining if caution is used, then again I imagine personal healing factor and over all genetics plays a part too, I know there’s other reasons for injury besides over use, Just my guess is all. Nobody take the things I’m saying as fact, I’m just trying to break it down to an exact science like the rest of us !

Just to give you an idea of how huge this forum is and the amount of great discussions that have taken place over the years, BeardedDragon had a thread in the hangers area Shorter Sets and Longer Breaks.

I liked the way he was thinking about small sets throughout the day. In the discussion capernicus1 mentions another thread A Possible Breakthrough. About TIME ! with a similar idea. However, that thread which is 9 years old is loaded with bunch of science.

Great theories in that thread in trying to translate some actual scientific studies done on ligament stretching. Yet while I am reading that thread there are links to a previous couple threads with some similarities.

More proof that long periods of hanging may be beneficial?
This one is from 2002.

High force versus Low force
This one is from 2004

These are all great threads dealing with ligaments, plastic deformation, creep, and basically trying to find a sweet spot for the best gains.

Lots and lots of info in this forum and these discussions have been going on for almost the life of this forum. Yet I don’t think we have really come to any conclusions that have truly optimized gains.