More Hanging Sets or Adding Extender

Not at night though. First, increase in length under constant tension reach a plateu after 8hours; second, the penis is not a ligament. Many years ago a few guys tried wearing a static stretcher all night for several months; they gained nothing. Although we don’t know why, it seems anything that can interfere with night erections (yes you have them even if you are not aware) has bad consequences for gains and/or EQ.

You’re right Marinera, but while constant tension isn’t necessary for stress relaxation, at night you couldn’t progress the stretch to longer and longer end-point stretches as this takes a manual adjustment. So whether your ANS is creep- or stress relaxation-based, all night stretching just isn’t going to produce increased gains. Keeping our theoretical static progressive penis splint on at night, however, would just mean the penis would be kept at constant traction and would not need to be re-stretched in the morning. Each time you release the traction on a static progressive stretching device and re-stretch the tissue under traction you have to begin again at a shorter end-point stretch. Not too big a problem, but for the absolute most efficient results in a stress release-based system you would want 24/7 traction.

With current PE technology though, your dick would soon fall off, I think. :)

Oh! You could make an automatic mechanical static progressive penis stretcher - an AMSPPS - with an electric, battery-operated motor that would apply increased length stretches whenever it felt the tissue relax (it would know this because the force it would have to apply to maintain the stretched length would decrease by some set amount that I do not know but probably is known or could be discovered through research of stress relaxation-associated tension decreases and statistical analysis of the results - this would be the best way for this awesome cock stretcher to operate) or it could apply the increased stretches at some set interval of time. That way, it could keep the ‘stress relaxation then stretch further’ cycle ongoing even while asleep! This sounds INCREDIBLY dangerous also. Talk about interfering with the nocturnal erection cycle! ;) It’s times like these I wish I would have studied mechanical engineering!

That 8 hour limit on progressive creep is interesting! I didn’t know that. Where did you see that? That must be the point where the diminishing returns as predicted by the creep curve slow down so much as to become imperceptible.

Marinera, I just saw you live in Italy. Is English a second language for you?

Plaidshirt:

Beyond suggesting one of the better known cylinder models I couldn’t tell you which to go with. I have an underused LAPumps cylinder in the back of a closet somewhere and never had any problems with it. Take a look in the pumping forum and perhaps start a thread their about your trials and tribulations, asking for advice.

If you were using a better cylinder and had a few break on you? Either you are doing something weird to them of they all came from the same bad batch.

Yes. That’s why I do a lot of mistakes. :)

Thanks men for all the advice and input. Great thread and forum.

@Marinera: Actually I was thinking how well you write for a non-primary English speaker. My dad is Italian and his parents were from Italy except they were part of that generation of immigrants having kids in the ‘50’s who wanted to “Americanize” their children. They never spoke Italian around their children, worked hard to lose their accents, and never took their kids over the water to see where they came from. It is really shitty because now they are both gone and I can never find out more about my heritage since they purposefully held the knowledge back from my dad, aunts, and uncles.

Point being, someday I REALLY hope I can travel to Italy and use the few clues they did leave about their roots to trace my ancestry and see exactly where they came from. I hear it is a really cool place there. And apparently some people over there practice PE, so how bad can you all be? ;)

Like your worst nightmare! :mutley:

Lapdist is great, but preferably I like a pump without the bottom that flares out that seems to always dig into your nuts. I like the straight wall cylinders that really dig past the fat pad and pump the inner inch of your penis.

Ironaddict, you don’t like any flare at all? Or just not the tubes that flare out like a half inch or more? I have a cheap pump that has no flare at all and really thin walls, it feels like a circular knife cutting into my pubic region at even mild vacuum levels. My main pump has a very slight flare at the bottom - like the flared-out lip protrudes out under a quarter of an inch around the cylinder - and I like that as it feels much more comfortable. But I could totally see where an extremely flared-out flange at the base would get in the way, and it seems like those silicone rings would work to create a better seal as they are flexible. Not to mention they look way more comfortable than pumping with the cylinder in direct contact with the body.

Ironaddict, your girth gains are fantastic it would appear. What exercise(s) worked best for you and how long did those take to get you to where you are now?

What Iamaru was very politely suggesting was, that this is an exceptional thread and it would be nice to keep it on topic rather than wandering off in all directions.

Let’s try to discuss the pumping in a pumping thread and continue with the discussion at hand, I would very much like to see this thread continue as it is very informative, Rootsnatty you have brought an exceptional level of debate to the table on whether or not to hang more or extend if it gets too complicated people will lose focus on the discussion :)

Does anyone have any thoughts to ironaddict’s question? I’ve just started a vac hanging followed by extender routine. I’ve got heavy tension springs in the extender now but am wondering if I should go back to the light tension springs for use after my hanging sessions. I’m going on the assumption there is a concept of “over training” with PE just as there is in any other physical endeavor.

I’d keep the heavy springs in, but don’t crank them so your unit is pulled super far. If I do this again, I’ll make it so I am pulled 1.5” past my regular flaccid length at most.

Five percent just five percent greater than what it is at rest. Am i reading this correctly just 5% . For how long? To get plastic deformation. And what do you do if you already went past the 5% range? Thanks .

5% is not a measurement of absolute stretched length of a penis. It means the connective tissue much be stretched to 105% (an additional 5%) its length AFTER FULLY UNCRIMPED.

So you can better understand this uncrimping thing, let me give a brief explanation of how the collagen composing most connective tissue works. Collagen is an amazing molecule with several properties that make it an ideal candidate for use in connective tissue: it is elastic but also has viscoelastic properties allowing it to stretch further and dissipate energy more efficiently under loads without snapping, it can form polymer chains allowing it to be structured into connective tissue of any size, it forms cross-bonds with adjacent collagen molecules making the connective tissue much stronger as a whole, and, important to this discussion, when collagen forms polymers, these polymers like to fold up on themselves when not stretched, like an accordion. This is what is referred to as “crimping.”

When you apply a load to connective tissue the crimps unfold before the collagen actually begins to stretch in earnest. This is why it is hard to say just how far of a stretch 5% actually is in terms of the stretched length of your penis. You do not know how much of any given stretched length is due to uncrimping or how much is due to deformation.

I would suggest using progressive, measurable gains in stretched length as an indication that you are achieving 5% deformation or slightly more. If you are gaining then you know approximately the “feel” of a stretch that is overcoming your threshold for permanent deformation. When those gains start stalling you can be reasonably sure deformation is no longer adequate. Note, you do not want to apply loads that are sufficiently large as to produce deformation of well over 5% for long periods of time because your connective tissue will have a tendency to increase in toughness by a lot to protect itself making progress more of a challenge.

@Wawawuh: how would you be hanging? If you are hanging light, like 5-6 pounds max, then the lighter springs would be OK and compliment the hanging nicely. Although I’ve never seen extender springs which produce over six pounds of force so the heavy springs should work as well, perhaps better in the long run.

Now, if you are following the hanging guides on this site/Bib’s site then you will be working up in weight incrementally over time and eventually - rather quickly, in fact - be hanging some heavy weights. Because your penile connective tissues will constantly be adjusting to the load as it is increased an extender, even one with upgraded springs, would quickly become ineffective as the tissues of the penis toughened because the extender would lose the ability to produce an adequate force to pull the now toughened penis into a long enough stretch to breach the threshold for permanent/plastic deformation.