Ahh, the ache and the itch..

Dicko7x5 wrote:

“I think the soreness/aching is a sign of the tissues being successfully stressed and the itchiness (which comes a day or two after the initial soreness/aching) is a sign of a reparation/healing process. For instance when I stretch the skin on my penis I will get very itchy there after a day or two, but it’s a shallow itch since it’s the skin. I’ve also gotten deep itches at the base when I have worked the ligs good.”

So if that is so, where it comes from would depend on what was being stressed.

Thank you Lamp. I can see sparkyx asked my very same question earlier, also.

One question that has not been addressed;

After 3 days on, if there is still itching and aching on the 2nd day AFTER, do you leave it alone? (e.g. go to a 3 day on 2 day off routine)

I cut the full week short by a day already (PIs good so far) - but thanks, I’ll keep it in mind for next time.

Is Big Al’s LPSG Newbie Routine “canonical”? The Thunder’s newb routine doesn’t say anything about a week break.

Is there some guide to “when to break” floating around? I assumed it’d be best to play it by ear and listen for PIs, and that the PI indicating “break’s over” would be “dwindling of positive PIs”.

Privacy,

You just got me thinking a little bit about my PI’s. This morning, my wood was average at best. So, I think it will be a “routine” day today. I was going to take a second day off, but if my EQ is an indication, I should get some work in.

I find that when you stress the smooth muscle “just right” it relaxes more than normal, which leads to what I call SRR ( super relaxation response), which gives the larger and fuller flaccid.

Remember smooth muscle RELAXES to produce an erection. When you beat it up too much, it CONTRACTS, which leads to the contraction or turtling and the feeling of it being hard or “corded”. So, I find that proper PE increases EQ, and I believe that one of the reasons is that the smooth muscle is in a more relaxed state than normal, leading to harder erections. Of course, there is the BC, circulation, hormonal responses, etc, but I think smooth muscle is a major player in the EQ equation.

So, really the question I ask myself ( and you guys are asking), do you wait for smooth muscle to return to its normal tone, or do you stress it again when its super relaxed? I tend to think you wait until it returns to normal tone, but really I have nothing to base that on. It may very well be best to hit it again when its super relaxed.

I find when I rest too long, EQ begins to drop again, back down to a normal base line. Whats interesting is some of my highest EQ came after completely resting after OVER WORKING my smooth muscle. Whats weird is it seems like there is some overcompensation going on to produce that effect. I’m still trying to hit that again without going that far into over training and decreased EQ, but so far I haven’t been successful.

I honestly am not a big fan of that routine. I think it was written by and for “more is more” guys and completely fails for “less is more” guys. But the concept of “less is more” and that there are different categories that you may fall into, is a relatively new discussion here. Thats why I wrote the thread to address it recently. Up until recently, it was, “there is only one way, and the rest of you guys are wrong”, which is ridiculous and subject of many heated discussions.

The fact is IMO, there is a wide range of responses among guys, and the real trick is to as quickly as possible figure out what category you are in and ACCEPT it! If you need more, do it! If you need less, quit trying to make a long routine work for you, because it won’t!

Shoot,

The least amount of time to get all of the benefits of PE, the better, right? I tend to “feel” my way through each routine. I start out with some kind of baseline standard, (# of reps of a certain exercise), and then it’s all feel.

If my unit starts to ache a little as I’m doing my routine, and it’s already plump, with a good flaccid hang, I will wind it down at that point.

That’s why I cut my week’s break short: my unit was returning to its pre-PE state - no pleasant, constant tingle, no mild-but-kind-of-nice-ache, no eager-small-dog-nipping-at-your-ankles-type erections (“arf, arf, let’s go out and play”): just another indifferent, boring body part like before PE.

Big Al’s Routine specified mandatory weeklong breaks every 4 to 6 weeks, but I’ve never heard that advice anywhere else, and since he’s not even well-known around here, I figured I’d just take *a* break every 4-6 weeks, and get back into PE when all the PIs, good or bad, had faded away - which they had (mostly).

(Incidentally - not meaning to go off topic - but I think I even underdid it last night, at 230 jelqs - my unit felt great at first [Unit: “Oh, are we doing this again? Awesome!”], but I’m not getting many PIs today - good or bad - and I’m assuming “no PIs” means “go harder”, right?)

Not that you asked me, but I would concentrate on QUALITY jelqs vs # of jelqs. If you have neutral PI’s that just fine. It always worries me to hear anyone say go “hard” or “harder” as it applies to PE. Remember the fine line in this stuff is very thin.

Wouldn’t “quality” jelqs just *be* “harder” jelqs? Or are you saying counting is distracting, and time and pressure are more important?

As to injuries - I appreciate the concern, and yeah, I went too far a couple of times (though I think I remember what it felt like enough to avoid it from now on), and then overcompensated by going too lightly (which reminds me, I should post up my month+ PE log).

So now I’m trying to triangulate, with at least a few weeks experience from both sides of correctness.

(Also, Acid - you referred to “neutral PIs” - doesn’t that mean “PIs that could be construed as bad?” I was talking about having *no* PIs whatsoever - good, bad, or neutral - and instead, just a pre-PE feeling unit, with no tingle/increased EQ/good-ache, etc).

I would say “quality” jelqs take 3 or 4 seconds to stroke. I don’t think counting is distracting either. I just think specifically saying, “I’m going to do 300 jelqs today”, (no matter how the unit feels), is taking away from the importance of the technique(s).

Neutral PI’s are listed under “recent articles”, (Physiologic Indicators), on the left side of the home page. Sparkyx has some clear explanations of what they are/feel like. And, you are correct. Sometimes, neutral PI’s don’t make your dick feel any different at all.

I see your point about technique.

About neutral PIs: I thought PIs were actual, definite sensations that your dick wouldn’t normally feel - as distinct from “no PIs at all” - which would be your dick as it felt before you started PE.

sparkyx: “PIs (Physiologic Indicators) are the observable physical responses of your penis to the forces applied in PE.

NEUTRAL PIs, are neither obviously positive or negative. They must be INTERPRETED in relation to other definite Positive or Negative PIs. They are referred to as neutral, because at times, they may be a positive indicator, and other times, a negative indicator. Whether these Neutral PIs are positive or negative for YOU…will only become obvious when other DEFINITE Positive or Negative PIs begin to show.

Neutral PIs;
-temporary penis contraction after a PE workout
-redness
-spotting
-slight achyness in your penis
-increased size temporarily, a few minutes to a couple hours
-edema in the penis skin”

Would “normal feeling dick” be considered a PI in itself, or an absence of PIs?

Based on your post, I would say an absence of PI’s. But, once you start having really good EQ as a result of PE, if you take too long of a break, and go back to a “normal” unit, have you now established a PI known as “normal”?

I’m starting to get dizzy thinking about it. ;)

It is like negative number theory.