Attention all clampers!

Hey Sparkyx,

Hopefully my small insight will help some. A ways back I tried clamping while rock hard as tightly as possible. Of course I got expansion; however, I had a lot of negative PIs. I stopped clamping for a while and went back to it. Now I approach it similarly to drilla. I get a good erection, clamp, kegel to hard, and use moderate clamping force instead of clamping down extremely hard. My PIs since using this method have been great. I’ve only been back in the game for about 2 weeks and expand at minimum 1/4” and I only clamp for 10min sessions.

To clarify, when I say moderate clamping, I’m referring to the clicks of pressure from the clamp rather than how rock hard I am. What I mean is that I can achieve rock hard erections 1 or 2 clicks lighter than more extreme pressure that others favour.

The dick is rock hard, the clamping is moderate. :up:

I think the term clamping “hard” is confusing…it will be tough to convey what that means. I think a more useful approach would be to describe how hard the erection gets. For example, when I shut off the outflow completely, yet not so tight that I can’t kagal in more blood…I can produce a “rock hard” erection. I call that high pressure clamping.

So, now, my question to you is, what difference did you notice in the hardness of your erections? If they were both rock hard, then there may be a component of constricting past that initial “rock hardness” may have an effect that is counter productive.

If that is the case…that is very good additional info. I look forward to your response!

This seems to be what footeddie just said…very interesting observation!

I think we need to start separating terminology of clamping force and penile turgidity. So lets for now refer both to clamping force (eg high, med,low) AND erectile hardness (eg medium hard, hard, rock hard). We don’t have to stick with those terms, but for now I think it will be helpful to start to include both the clamp force and erectile hardness in our descriptions.

I have noticed the same thing myself, there seems to be an ideal setting for me. I described it as the first click that stops outflow (which prevents softening of the erection) but not so tight that I can’t kagal some more blood in without loosening the clamp. If I clamp tighter past that point it doesn’t increase my ability to maintain rock hardness, yet is considerably increases discoloration and cooling of the penis.

Lets continue with this…I think we will be able to give some very useful guidelines when this is all done. Thanks!!!

I am waiting to hear from guys that clamp by producing a less than “rock hard” erection. I know there are guys that use a slightly “spongy” erection…my question is are you getting any gains?

Do you use pressure intensifiers like bends and squeezes? My current theory is that moderate pressure clamping (producing spongy erections, that is less than rock hard, less than normal hard…one step softer) WON’T work by itself, but when added to either intensifiers or adding a period of “rock hard” should work.

Any moderate pressure clampers out there that can comment?

Interesting experience today. I went to do my normal clamping, but I couldn’t find that “magic” spot where outflow stops and I can kagel more blood in. It was like I couldn’t find it.

I was never able to achieve “rock” hardness. So I did my best, then when I was done, I went to the loosest setting, the first click. I usually try to finish with about 30 minutes at that setting, it slows outflow,causing a higher than normal internal pressure, which I use to try and hold the stretch for about 30 minutes. At this setting, normal color, normal temp…usually its a “puffy” erection.

Today, I got far harder at this “loosest” setting than I did at tighter pressure from the clamp…harder than a normal good erection, but short of a “rock” hard erection.

This I felt like I could have held for hours…kept it by edging…and it slowing expanded more (apx 1/4 inch) and toward the end (about 1 hour) I was almost rock hard…strange!

I think it may have a relationship to recovery. I find if I am full recovered, I can find that “rock hard” place very easily…if I am still not fully recovered, it may take longer. I’m afraid I might need a couple days off after today to fully recover…but it WAS fun!

sparky,

Do you bruise easily?

Hey man…nice to talk to you in a setting we can work together in!

No I don’t bruise easily in normal life (bumps, contusions etc) but I do get red spots fairly easily when increasing internal pressure from jelq, clamping, pumping etc.

I also over train very easily, and have to have a lot of discipline with my PE and not over do it…unfortunately for me, sometimes PE overlaps with entertainment!:)

:D

No hard feelings, my friend.

I think I might have a tendency to over-train, as well. I asked about the bruising because if I bump my shins with what might not seem to be a severe bump, they may be bruised for a few days. Suffice to say, I avoid carelessly walking into things, especially in the summer (shorts season).

But I was wondering if this tendency to somewhat easily injure might be related to not needing as much PE as some other guys might? Obviously that would be an individual thing. But for me it might be a thing.

Though, I don’t really have a history of spraining something just getting out of bed, for example. So maybe maybe there is a some relatedness in my circumstance though, obviously not enough that I am breaking bones or spraining things in very low threshold situations.

Dunno, but it was something I considered.

But in your situation, is your only low physical threshold is related to PE?

I don’t need someone to agree with me to be a friend, merely be willing to live by their own beliefs.
I think all men are brothers, and need to continue to have concern and respect for each other DESPITE their differences…theres no hope for the world if we can’t. Sooo, of course their are no hard feelings!

If you bruise easily, I recommend getting and taking Quercitin with Vitamin C (Puritans Pride has a good formula)…its good for your health, and may help decrease bruising.

When strength training, ( and I have lifted some pretty big wts) I don’t have a great recovery rate, it takes me some time. I don’t know if you can relate this to PE as a rule, but in my case, it applies. I don’t injure easily, actually my body is pretty tough, but I attribute that to years of training.

On this forum, we tend to hear ( I think) from mostly guys that have success, I think may of the non gainers are embarrassed to post (just a guess). I think there are lots of guys here that don’t get results or go backwards.

I think that these “hard gainers” have good potential to gain, but really probably need to start at a much lower level than most newbie routines. If they don’t realize that, then they can never figure out why nothing works. Usually, they ramp up to scary force/times in response and end up injured.

That’s why I wrote the PI thread, so you learn to read your own body and get away from a “cookbook” mentality…because it won’t work for lots of guys.

I like this thread because I think it works good for guys like that;

NEW newbie + advanced routine

Take a look at it, if you haven’t been getting any gains, consider trying this approach. As always I am willing to coach a limited amount of people if you PM me with questions I will do my best to help. I don’t like to take on too many, because I don’t always have the time, but I have some space now.

Hey Sparkyx,

Kind of hard to get on my computer to answer, sorry for the delay. To answer your question, the erection starts “hard” my normal hard erection. The clamping starts at light and I slowly close while kegling more in. Once I feel like inflow is stopped, this is “hard” clamping, I then back up one click and that is my “medium” clamping where I keep it for the duration of the set. At this point I kegel and begin the expansion. I have tried clamping with less of an erection at medium and hard clamping and have seen no gains; however, I saw in a post above that you achieved almost an extra 1/4” by starting out less erect. I’m not sure if that gain was just from you clamping for an extra amount of time or what? However, I still think moderate clamping force or “medium” with a hard erection are best b/c it allows you to stop outflow but lets inflow in. I have tried this approach with doing less PE and my unit feels healthier overall. I’m going to take a 10-14 day decon. break and then start clamping a bit more and watch my PI’s. Also, with only 1 10min or 2 10min sets a day, about 4 days a week, clamping in this manner has caused me to have erections all the time at night and during the day :) . Erections are 10x better (yay me)! Hope that helps.

Clamping certainly encompasses a broad spectrum. It goes all the way from shutting off all blood flow in and out (Extreme Uli) to milder forms restricting outflow to various degrees.

I’ve tried many variations. I once did an extremely brutal routine of EU’s that left small blood clot/scabs on my skin. The internal pressure during those sets was extremely high. Forcing things didn’t work well. IMO, lower intensity is better. The last time I made a significant girth gain was from long periods of very low intensity expansion. Your mileage may vary.

So when you back off one click, can you now kegel in some additional blood? Do you then kegel in more blood? How do you know when you stop?

I’m not sure either…I think that it almost seems like a slower gentler…longer stretch that go the result.

I think that all PE’ers should always aim for improved EQ (erectile quality) because it seems that growth does better in that enviorment, much less injuries and even if you don’t get bigger, its gets harder so it bigger by that mechanism and just plain works better!

I liked footedie’s description of when inflow and outflow and one click less, etc.

I think terms like that will help us understand what the others are doing when they are getting gains.

So for example, you say very low intensity, but I wouldn’t know how to reproduce that from your description.

I think if we use a universal reference point like the point where inflow and outflow has stopped, but WITHOUT loosening the clamp, you can still kegel in more blood. What makes that a good reference point is that it will be the same no matter how hard you are, or how much you expand.

So lets say, you achieve that point, but 5 minutes later, you have expanded to the point that you can no longer kegel in anymore blood, then you have moved to a higher pressure level of clamping because of that expansion.

To get back to that reference point you may have to back off a click or two.

So if that was an agreed upon reference point, in your case you may say that it is 2-3 clicks looser than the reference point, and I would be able to fairly closely approximate your experience.

If we throw in some descriptive PIs like saying “normal color” or “slightly redder than normal color” or “darker than normal color” then I think we can even more precisely give a “road map” for others to reproduce the same internal pressures you or others giving an account of their experiences have had.

My best results come from starting at about 2-3 clicks short of the reference point (we need a good name for that point..net neutral, stasis, static point???), where I can easily kegel in more blood and it leaves fairly easily, but slower than normal resulting in higher than normal internal pressure. THEN as time passes, and my penis expands, it slowly decreases outflow and increases internal pressure until I am really rock hard. So it starts as medium pressure clamping and progresses to high pressure clamping.

Maybe its that slow ramp up of pressure that is the best way to stretch…I’d love to find out!

It may turn out that starting at the static point :) or one click less, then don’t change the clamp setting for that session, allowing the penis to expand as much as it will for the time frame you are using. I remember Redzulu saying something like if he found his penis starting to darken, he would loosen by one click, kegel in more blood (restoring better color) and finish the session.

Anyway, I’d love to continue to get feedback here and see if we can contribute some useful terms and reference points.

Scabs? Were these raised and light in color after healing? The reason I ask is I think I have something similar, they are very hideous looking and not warts. Mine were caused from wreckless EU’s.