Oh, I almost forgot, however I think I talk about it in the aforementioned thread: Get all your length gains first before you begin working these intense girth routines. Because once you start doing a lot of these Clamped X-Ulis and edging and ballooning while clamped etc, your erect length gains will slow down, perhaps even stop. It is really hard to stretch a fat tunica. However, for some reason flaccid length gains seem to come along with the girth. I think it is because a fat, heavy flaccid dick just hangs lower than a long skinny one