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Digitally controlled constant strain extender

Originally Posted by dickwut
Hi, I see from your log that you have a phantom as well. How do you deal with the surface gap between the vacuum sleeve and shaft where the sleeve ends, too?

Btw, the phallosan might be another solution - the US waves can penetrate the sleeve, plus it grips really well at the glans I’ve read without the need for taping. A bit on the pricey side tho.

Originally Posted by easygainer
Re: Heating - there was some discussion about the surface getting really hot but internal temperatures being below where it needs to be. I remember reading that with some superficial heating methods, you’d cook the surface of your penis before the inside reached 41-42°C - but not sure whether that was regarding FIR. Maybe search Tutt’s posts and see.

Yes, I’m using the US Pro 2000 2nd edition.

I did get my phantom working! At first it was cylindrical and my penis would go in the middle but then I cut it down the middle so that now it’s like a slide? Not sure how else to describe that. Basically it’s shaped the way everyone else’s own is and sits on the stop half of my shaft vs enveloping the entire thing.

My vac cup was one of the cheap ones off of ebay and that was yet another reason for my delay - I quickly realized that it wouldn’t work for me so I ordered something else which took about 2 months for me to receive in-hand. I’m a huge shower, so when I’m ready to apply heat, I have very little visible shaft. I mean, you’d laugh if you saw my first phantom (it was like 1 inch, lol). So you can imagine how problematic it was when my extender sleeve was picking up room on my limited runway. I bought the VacHanger 3 Kit from autoextender which worked great in my first session. I used water to fill the vacuum instead of tape which was a bit tough to set up since autoextender changed their design but still waaay easier than taping. So there’s no sleeve picking up my shaft space. The silicone cone is picking up just a few mm behind my glans. Very strong, no slippage.


That’s cool. I’m still working on getting a good technique for the vacuum cups. I can get the cup fully filled if I tape up, but using the silicone toe caps it seems like the silicone hits the hole at the end before all the air gets out and stops the vacuuming or something. Tape is annoying, but if I only have to do it once a week or so with this protocol, it’s not a big deal. No idea how you use water without making a huge mess! :)

Yea, I did recall the Phallosan sleeves being able to pass US. But did anyone test the other sleeves? Total Man sleeves are just silicone, too. I wonder if they could also pass US effectively or even act like a bit of a phantom on their own. I don’t recall if anyone was able to determine that, and the search function leaves a lot to be desired.


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The yellow American Weigh Scale AWS-SR-5 or AWS-SR-20 that is very useful in our application because it doesn’t have an auto-off function is out of stock if you live outside the US. And unfortunately they don’t ship worldwide.

So if anyone is looking for an alternative to this simple, yet useful hanging scale, I found this on Aliexpress:
https://www.ali express.com/ite … 1775230506.html

You can set the auto-off function to anything from 0 to 15 minutes, with 0 being OFF. I tried it and it works perfectly.
If you order this scale, make sure you choose the right model. The models are labeled with force in Newtons that they can display. I chose the AMF-100 because that is the equivalent of pulling 10kg load. It comes with English Manual so you should not have any problems disabling the Auto-Off function.

Originally Posted by nshaq
The yellow American Weigh Scale AWS-SR-5 or AWS-SR-20 that is very useful in our application because it doesn’t have an auto-off function is out of stock if you live outside the US. And unfortunately they don’t ship worldwide.

So if anyone is looking for an alternative to this simple, yet useful hanging scale, I found this on Aliexpress:
https://www.ali express.com/ite … 1775230506.html

You can set the auto-off function to anything from 0 to 15 minutes, with 0 being OFF. I tried it and it works perfectly.
If you order this scale, make sure you choose the right model. The models are labeled with force in Newtons that they can display. I chose the AMF-100 because that is the equivalent of pulling 10kg load. It comes with English Manual so you should not have any problems disabling the Auto-Off function.

Awesome! This might even be better if the numbers are visible from any angle. When I look at my AWS scale from my seated position mid-session, I can’t see the numbers - it has to be viewed from a specific angle. I might mount a small mirror eventually to fix this.

Originally Posted by nshaq
The yellow American Weigh Scale AWS-SR-5 or AWS-SR-20 that is very useful in our application because it doesn’t have an auto-off function is out of stock if you live outside the US. And unfortunately they don’t ship worldwide.

So if anyone is looking for an alternative to this simple, yet useful hanging scale, I found this on Aliexpress:
https://www.ali express.com/ite … 1775230506.html

You can set the auto-off function to anything from 0 to 15 minutes, with 0 being OFF. I tried it and it works perfectly.
If you order this scale, make sure you choose the right model. The models are labeled with force in Newtons that they can display. I chose the AMF-100 because that is the equivalent of pulling 10kg load. It comes with English Manual so you should not have any problems disabling the Auto-Off function.

Thank you friend. Please give me the dimensions of the scales. Length, width and thickness.


Sorry for my English

Originally Posted by Holdion
Thank you friend. Please give me the dimensions of the scales. Length, width and thickness.

It is approximately 11cm length, 6cm width and 3cm height.

Originally Posted by easygainer
Awesome! This might even be better if the numbers are visible from any angle. When I look at my AWS scale from my seated position mid-session, I can’t see the numbers - it has to be viewed from a specific angle. I might mount a small mirror eventually to fix this.

There is good view of the scale display even under a low angle, BUT its upside down, so either you get used to upside down numbers or really use a mirror :)

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Well, I’m really looking forward to when you get more info posted up. I’ve figured out how to hang a bit better with a silicone cap instead of tape, but still feel like it’s not nearly as effective as this protocol will be since I’m heating with pads and can’t get a real solid wrap around. Once I have all the info, I’m planning to order everything to build and also planning on getting a Phallosan so I don’t have to worry about the sleeve passing US. Think I will get a Soundcare Plus as it seems to be powerful and have variable settings enough that I can use 3mhz to heat quickly, then lower the intensity to hold temp.

A while back someone also posted a link showing that 3mhz heats quickly and deeply enough to hit temps at 2.5 cm deep faster than 1mhz, so I don’t think covering the entire thickness of the shaft is an issue, and dorsal heating should be great.

As far as how to approach beginning the protocol. I re-read through all of Tutt’s posts. Initially he stated that he wouldn’t normally go above 2.5kg, but by the end was doing 3kg, and said 2.5-3.5kg would probably cover most everyone. He never really spoke of how to determine exactly what weight to use, or how to determine the “sweet spot”. Though, if I recall, he seemed to think Fdersby’s method of cold hanging until no more strain was achieved was on OK way to find it. Sometimes when hanging I get almost no strain at all (maybe 1mm), but my pre-measurements are slowly creeping up, though I haven’t gone that heavy yet. Max heated weight 3.5 lb with 4.25 lb for cool down.
Not sure if I should do a long cold hang to try to find that point if I’m not getting much un-US-heated strain. Otherwise, maybe aim for the fireloadcalculator .17mpa weight? For me that would be 2.63kg.

And his initial procedure was aiming for specific strain percentages, and even doing it multiple times, but by the end was just using the max tension as a target, and using strains as a gauge of progress. So figuring out what that tension should be is probably the most important part.

Am I off anywhere?

Originally Posted by dickwut
Well, I’m really looking forward to when you get more info posted up. I’ve figured out how to hang a bit better with a silicone cap instead of tape, but still feel like it’s not nearly as effective as this protocol will be since I’m heating with pads and can’t get a real solid wrap around. Once I have all the info, I’m planning to order everything to build and also planning on getting a Phallosan so I don’t have to worry about the sleeve passing US. Think I will get a Soundcare Plus as it seems to be powerful and have variable settings enough that I can use 3mhz to heat quickly, then lower the intensity to hold temp.

A while back someone also posted a link showing that 3mhz heats quickly and deeply enough to hit temps at 2.5 cm deep faster than 1mhz, so I don’t think covering the entire thickness of the shaft is an issue, and dorsal heating should be great.

As far as how to approach beginning the protocol. I re-read through all of Tutt’s posts. Initially he stated that he wouldn’t normally go above 2.5kg, but by the end was doing 3kg, and said 2.5-3.5kg would probably cover most everyone. He never really spoke of how to determine exactly what weight to use, or how to determine the “sweet spot”. Though, if I recall, he seemed to think Fdersby’s method of cold hanging until no more strain was achieved was on OK way to find it. Sometimes when hanging I get almost no strain at all (maybe 1mm), but my pre-measurements are slowly creeping up, though I haven’t gone that heavy yet. Max heated weight 3.5 lb with 4.25 lb for cool down.
Not sure if I should do a long cold hang to try to find that point if I’m not getting much un-US-heated strain. Otherwise, maybe aim for the fireloadcalculator .17mpa weight? For me that would be 2.63kg.

And his initial procedure was aiming for specific strain percentages, and even doing it multiple times, but by the end was just using the max tension as a target, and using strains as a gauge of progress. So figuring out what that tension should be is probably the most important part.

Am I off anywhere?

Happy to hear that you’re making adjustments to your approach. Re: Heating - Sounds good. I haven’t looked into US machines much myself - just went with the US pro for ease but you’re well read so I trust that the Soundcare will work.

Good job reading Tutt’s posts - indeed there is an evolution in his protocol over the course of the thread. I think he was essentially testing in the earlies.

In terms of weight to use, I’m thinking to use Kyrpa’s calculator but, I wonder if we should go with the max load that calculator outputs if we’re heating thoroughly. I doubt the data Kyrpa used for that calculator was done on heated tunica albugineas? And surely, altering the collagen properties could change the dynamic a bit.

Tutt recently said that all the data collection is purely for R&D and that what really matters is BPFSL and BPEL - those are the true metrics. In terms of aiming for a certain strain per session, you can calculate the % (but Tutt’s way is non-traditional as he measures inside his device from the plastic ring sitting on his pubic bone to a permanent spot on his glans/succulus - so his strain % will be very different from the range of Kyrpa and the studies). That doesn’t matter though as you just need a baseline and something to compare it to. What matters is using a consistent method of measuring.

Or, you can aim for added mm per session. If you’re gaining at the expected rate, you should be gaining about 1-3mm per session. So as long as your BPFSL is increasing by 1-3mm per session you’re good to go (or half that - as some people will gain slower due to genetics).

Tying all of this together, I think we should aim to find the minimum load possible (somewhere in the range of the Kyrpa’s calculator output) that gives us 1-3mm BPFSL per session consistently (i.e. this has to be tested over several weeks). Anything less and we may need more load - closer to the calculator’s max, or it may be due to toughening. Note that Fdersby was using the same max load most sessions, yet was gaining 1mm per session.

P.S. I didn’t know Fdersby did hanging - that’s news to me.

Originally Posted by easygainer
Tutt recently said

Are you still in touch?


Sorry for my English

Originally Posted by easygainer
Happy to hear that you’re making adjustments to your approach. Re: Heating - Sounds good. I haven’t looked into US machines much myself - just went with the US pro for ease but you’re well read so I trust that the Soundcare will work.

Good job reading Tutt’s posts - indeed there is an evolution in his protocol over the course of the thread. I think he was essentially testing in the earlies.

In terms of weight to use, I’m thinking to use Kyrpa’s calculator but, I wonder if we should go with the max load that calculator outputs if we’re heating thoroughly. I doubt the data Kyrpa used for that calculator was done on heated tunica albugineas? And surely, altering the collagen properties could change the dynamic a bit.

Tutt recently said that all the data collection is purely for R&D and that what really matters is BPFSL and BPEL - those are the true metrics. In terms of aiming for a certain strain per session, you can calculate the % (but Tutt’s way is non-traditional as he measures inside his device from the plastic ring sitting on his pubic bone to a permanent spot on his glans/succulus - so his strain % will be very different from the range of Kyrpa and the studies). That doesn’t matter though as you just need a baseline and something to compare it to. What matters is using a consistent method of measuring.

Or, you can aim for added mm per session. If you’re gaining at the expected rate, you should be gaining about 1-3mm per session. So as long as your BPFSL is increasing by 1-3mm per session you’re good to go (or half that - as some people will gain slower due to genetics).

Tying all of this together, I think we should aim to find the minimum load possible (somewhere in the range of the Kyrpa’s calculator output) that gives us 1-3mm BPFSL per session consistently (i.e. this has to be tested over several weeks). Anything less and we may need more load - closer to the calculator’s max, or it may be due to toughening. Note that Fdersby was using the same max load most sessions, yet was gaining 1mm per session.

P.S. I didn’t know Fdersby did hanging - that’s news to me.

If I measure in a device. Where do I measure to? If I change with the cap, there is a slight depressurization at the end of the workout. If you measure before the dolpak, the default percentage of stretch is higher than those who measure with the head. Can you point me to the section where I post the photo and you tell me how you would measure? Couldn’t find where to post a photo. Thank you.


Sorry for my English


Sorry for my English

Originally Posted by easygainer
Happy to hear that you’re making adjustments to your approach. Re: Heating - Sounds good. I haven’t looked into US machines much myself - just went with the US pro for ease but you’re well read so I trust that the Soundcare will work.

Good job reading Tutt’s posts - indeed there is an evolution in his protocol over the course of the thread. I think he was essentially testing in the earlies.

In terms of weight to use, I’m thinking to use Kyrpa’s calculator but, I wonder if we should go with the max load that calculator outputs if we’re heating thoroughly. I doubt the data Kyrpa used for that calculator was done on heated tunica albugineas? And surely, altering the collagen properties could change the dynamic a bit.

Tutt recently said that all the data collection is purely for R&D and that what really matters is BPFSL and BPEL - those are the true metrics. In terms of aiming for a certain strain per session, you can calculate the % (but Tutt’s way is non-traditional as he measures inside his device from the plastic ring sitting on his pubic bone to a permanent spot on his glans/succulus - so his strain % will be very different from the range of Kyrpa and the studies). That doesn’t matter though as you just need a baseline and something to compare it to. What matters is using a consistent method of measuring.

Or, you can aim for added mm per session. If you’re gaining at the expected rate, you should be gaining about 1-3mm per session. So as long as your BPFSL is increasing by 1-3mm per session you’re good to go (or half that - as some people will gain slower due to genetics).

Tying all of this together, I think we should aim to find the minimum load possible (somewhere in the range of the Kyrpa’s calculator output) that gives us 1-3mm BPFSL per session consistently (I.e. This has to be tested over several weeks). Anything less and we may need more load - closer to the calculator’s max, or it may be due to toughening. Note that Fdersby was using the same max load most sessions, yet was gaining 1mm per session.

P.S. I didn’t know Fdersby did hanging - that’s news to me.


I don’t know if Fdsersby did much hanging, but in the first post on his US log he posts the cold hanging he did in order to determine how much weight to use.

After pondering a bit more on weight, I was thinking about putting all of what you posted together. Maybe we should be aiming for at least a minimum amount of strain (was it something like 4-5% we were supposed to aim for measured normal Kyrpa style?). So perhaps get a baseline BPFSL measurement, to determine how many mm gain would equal that strain %. Then just aim for that range of mm measured in the device from then on. And as pre-length increases in the machine we can just adjust the initial length that was used to determine % to adjust the the strain range as needed. So starting off, we could just use the lower end of 2.5kg to start, and then up it as needed to get the minimum mm increase.

Though maybe more strain is better up to a certain max point? All other things being equal and there is no loss between sessions, I would think you would want to max out the strain to get as many gains as possible. However far that is before an injury might be sustained, I don’t know. Which is probably why we’d want to lean toward the min rather than the max also.

Originally Posted by easygainer
Happy to hear that you’re making adjustments to your approach. Re: Heating - Sounds good. I haven’t looked into US machines much myself - just went with the US pro for ease but you’re well read so I trust that the Soundcare will work.

Good job reading Tutt’s posts - indeed there is an evolution in his protocol over the course of the thread. I think he was essentially testing in the earlies.

In terms of weight to use, I’m thinking to use Kyrpa’s calculator but, I wonder if we should go with the max load that calculator outputs if we’re heating thoroughly. I doubt the data Kyrpa used for that calculator was done on heated tunica albugineas? And surely, altering the collagen properties could change the dynamic a bit.

Tutt recently said that all the data collection is purely for R&D and that what really matters is BPFSL and BPEL - those are the true metrics. In terms of aiming for a certain strain per session, you can calculate the % (but Tutt’s way is non-traditional as he measures inside his device from the plastic ring sitting on his pubic bone to a permanent spot on his glans/succulus - so his strain % will be very different from the range of Kyrpa and the studies). That doesn’t matter though as you just need a baseline and something to compare it to. What matters is using a consistent method of measuring.

Or, you can aim for added mm per session. If you’re gaining at the expected rate, you should be gaining about 1-3mm per session. So as long as your BPFSL is increasing by 1-3mm per session you’re good to go (or half that - as some people will gain slower due to genetics).

Tying all of this together, I think we should aim to find the minimum load possible (somewhere in the range of the Kyrpa’s calculator output) that gives us 1-3mm BPFSL per session consistently (I.e. This has to be tested over several weeks). Anything less and we may need more load - closer to the calculator’s max, or it may be due to toughening. Note that Fdersby was using the same max load most sessions, yet was gaining 1mm per session.

P.S. I didn’t know Fdersby did hanging - that’s news to me.


Progress still coming along nicely, easygainer? Hope we all get a new year’s surprise from you with some more build info so we can all get some huge gains this year! :)

Originally Posted by dickwut

Progress still coming along nicely, easygainer? Hope we all get a new year’s surprise from you with some more build info so we can all get some huge gains this year! :)

YES! I already got the extender ready :-) .


[before PE] Start BPFSL: 17.6cm (6.93 inches) start BPEL: 16.7cm (6.57 inches)

[currently decon until aug 2024] latest BFPSL: 21.2cm (8.35 inches) latest BPEL: 19.5cm (7,68 inches) latest NBPEL: 17cm (6.69 inches)

Click here to see my amazing US progress report (always updated!Kyrpa's methodology) ;-)

Sorry for the delay guys. Wrapping up some work before the year is out.

Also, I have a bigger problem at the moment. I’ve only done that first session. Truth is, the blister I got hasn’t healed yet (this makes the 4th week I think?), so I’m getting checked for diabetes (which runs in our family). At first I started to panic, because I wasn’t sure if it was necrosis. A bit more info:

I was so feddup of delaying starting my PE that I went into my first session off of memory, instead of reviewing my notes, so I had forgotten the cues to look for to let me know that I might be overheating. I thought that I was fine since I was using a thermocouple to monitor temps.

In retrospect, I experienced a few hotspots and tried to endure it, rather than just move the US head along. In rereading my notes, I realized that ideally, it should feel uncomfortably hot but bearable for a long time, whereas while I was doing that first session off of memory, things felt a bit too hot at times and I thought that’s the way it was supposed to be - while drawing reassurance from the thermocouple reading being in the right range.

Once I reviewed my notes, I felt sooooo stupid about this, and I started panicking, wondering whether I cooked part of my penis. I don’t think it’s necrosis though for several reasons: the area was forming a scab, it hasn’t gotten discolored, it hasn’t gotten more painful, it has showed signs of healing, it’s not numb/swollen, etc and I think those things would have happened by now (approaching 4 weeks).

Why hasn’t it healed then? My hypotheses:
As I said, diabetes runs in our family, so I’m going to get that checked
Also, I wasn’t practicing proper wound care at first, so it kept rubbing on my underwear, got infected a few times (I know because it produced a little pus here and there). I also wasn’t using any covering/plasters, so the wound was exposed and sometimes sticking to my underwear. I also masturbated a few times (kind of an addiction) which was no doubt was tramautic to the tissue. And finally, I started using neosporin in the open wound to prevent the dressing (i.e. covering) from sticking to it (which will cause more damage when removing) and to kill any bacteria. The problem I later discovered with neosporin is that the antibiotic ingredient kills bacteria in the wound, including good strains. I got curious about whether this was delaying healing and upon researching, I found that when vaseline was compared to neosporin, the vaseline helped promote faster recovery. Also, when researchers carefully added certain strains of bacteria to open wounds, they healed faster. So healing isn’t just an inside out process, but healthy bacteria in the wound also helps. They tested this in both rat and human models.

So now I’m practicing better care, trying not to masturbate and gonna do that sugar test. I’m changing my dressing twice a day, rinsing it with running water, then wiping/dabbing it gently with a light saline solution to sterilize, adding a bit of vaseline, then covering it with a new, sterile dressing and taping it up.

I’m still anxious about this because it’s not supposed to take this long to heal, but it’s in the last 3-4 days only that I’ve started doing the right things, and I think I’m seeing some small signs of progress. One setback is that I did my first weightlifing workout in a long time yesterday and today I’m a bit sick (slight sore throat, and feel like I’m coming down with the cold/flu). So my immunity seems weak overall, and now that my body is fighting this cold/flu, I feel like it’s not going to help my wound situation.

Sigh, will keep you all updated. Hopefully this heals and I didn’t cause real damage to my penis. Already have a lie crafted to tell the doctor if I go in (vs - I was trying to lenghten my penis and pointed a US device at it, lol…I would feel too embarrassed). But consider this near accident a warning and a reminder to do things safely, and right. I know I’m not playing around next time.

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