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Digitally controlled constant strain extender

Originally Posted by Tutt
Flaccid length is primarily related to the musculature, both the supporting muscles and the smooth muscle tissue in the shaft. For example, lots of masturbation while clenching the pelvic floor will result in a tightening of the muscles. Also things like anterior pelvic tilt cause the penis to retract somewhat. And low blood flow cause the size of the shaft to shrink in both girth ans length while flaccid.

Generally, your flaccid will improve with repeated treatment with your new device.

Hello everyone!
Im following this thread with great interest!

Tutt whats your thought about this 3 mhz US device-
Med-Fit Pro-Homecare 3 MHz Frequency Therapeutic Ultrasound | eBay

, looks similar to US pro 2000 2nd edition,
Is it going to do the job for people on tight budget.

I intend to use a ball strecher to keep testicles away from us waves and to work with the transducer the base of my penis and the ligaments, to reach this full range of motion the you very well explained as newby gains.

Just a thought of mine to share with everyone,
Because I won’t be able to build such precise device:

I was thinking can I buy one 3 litres cylinder with a tap on it. Fill it with lets say 2.5 litres water (2.5 kg e.g minimal load that gives me maximum elongation when cold penis)
and then set the tap somehow to drip those 2.5 litres in 20 minutes frame inside a container which is attached with elastic band and vacum cup to penis head.

Is this an option? To control kreep and slowly increase load and strain ?

During those 20 minutes a 3 mhz US to be used ventraly ( under side of shaft) and another 10 minutes to slowly cool down the tissues, not removing transducer straight away?

What are your thoughts?

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Hello everyone!
Im following this thread with great interest!

Tutt whats your thought about this 3 mhz US device-
Med-Fit Pro-Homecare 3 MHz Frequency Therapeutic Ultrasound | eBay

, looks similar to US pro 2000 2nd edition,
Is it going to do the job for people on tight budget.

I intend to use a ball strecher to keep testicles away from us waves and to work with the transducer the base of my penis and the ligaments, to reach this full range of motion the you very well explained as newby gains.

Just a thought of mine to share with everyone,
Because I won’t be able to build such precise device:

I was thinking can I buy one 3 litres cylinder with a tap on it. Fill it with lets say 2.5 litres water (2.5 kg e.g minimal load that gives me maximum elongation when cold penis)
and then set the tap somehow to drip those 2.5 litres in 20 minutes frame inside a container which is attached with elastic band and vacum cup to penis head.

Is this an option? To control kreep and slowly increase load and strain ?

During those 20 minutes a 3 mhz US to be used ventraly ( under side of shaft) and another 10 minutes to slowly cool down the tissues, not removing transducer straight away?

What are your thoughts?

How will you design stress-relaxation into that setup to control the strain rate? That will still get you results but would be far from optimal if you want to continue gaining in the long run.

Originally Posted by easygainer
How will you design stress-relaxation into that setup to control the strain rate? That will still get you results but would be far from optimal if you want to continue gaining in the long run.

Isn’t Tutt device based NOT on stress relaxation, but on creep, very slowly constantly increasing load/tension ?

If the electric motor that increases tension is working during the whole session reaching the maximum tension before cool-down part, then this should be creep ?

I might be totally wrong ! Just my thought .

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Isn’t Tutt device based NOT on stress relaxation, but on creep, very slowly constantly increasing load/tension ?

If the electric motor that increases tension is working during the whole session reaching the maximum tension before cool-down part, then this should be creep ?

I might be totally wrong ! Just my thought .

See attached. I think Tutt’s device has evolved since the attached pic because it doesn’t show his motors, etc, but in that iteration, you can see the two wooden columns blocking the vacuum cup. That makes it a stress-relaxation protocol vs creep.

Not sure if it’s a semantics thing here - sure the motor is turning at a fixed RPM and the vacuum cup is travelling at a fixed rate and ‘creeping’ away at a fixed rate but that doesn’t make it a creep protocol. If those wooden columns weren’t there and the vacuum cup had more ‘play’ or liberty to move, it would lead to uncontrolled strain rates (even if within the space of a few cm only) and thus translate to a creep protocol. The wooden columns here are preventing that, thus making it stress-relax.

I could be wrong though but that’s my understanding.

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That sounds like a very dangerous routine… I would try other routes long before considering something like that. Even for the OP on Reddit, that was a last resort.

Originally Posted by RedCommander
That sounds like a very dangerous routine… I would try other routes long before considering something like that. Even for the OP on Reddit, that was a last resort.

Probably. The risk might be proportional to the amount of squash force being applied though. I guess a conservative approach would be to test different levels of force over multiple sessions to find the minimal effective load.

I imagine to others, stretch routines might seem equally dangerous…just saying that girth is still awaiting its revolution it seems, and perhaps in a few years, squash routines like this would be the norm.

@Tutt

I absolutely need to get your attention! We have the first hint that you might be right about there being an optimal frequency that does not require decons!

Here’s a summary. Fdersby88 has a digital device with slow strain rates, etc.

When he was doing a session every 4 days he lost: 0.03% strain (compared to previous session)
When he was doing a session every 3 days he lost: 0.05% strain

We were wondering if he did a session every 5 days, if he’s lose just 0.02%?

And would every 6 days equate to a loss of 0.01%?
And would every 7 - 8 days = 0.00%?

Well I persuaded him to wait 8 days…he got his days mixed up and ended up waiting 9 days…the result?
He did NOT lose any strain…in fact, he gained 0.12% strain
Also, each successive session, his BPFSL went up by 1mm…For this last session where he waited 9 days, he also gained 1mm, so no gains from previous session were lost! *See link at end

So this is the first, single datapoint that indicates your hunch is right. He’s willing to wait 9 days for the next session to confirm this. Hopefully he can experiment with 8 days, 7 days, etc (as will I) to find the optimal frequency.

This is all building on your shoulders Tutt! The PE revolution might be here!

See Post #82 for his last session with the gain in session strain: easygainer - fdersby88 Strain based ultrasound LOG

Originally Posted by easygainer
See attached. I think Tutt’s device has evolved since the attached pic because it doesn’t show his motors, etc, but in that iteration, you can see the two wooden columns blocking the vacuum cup. That makes it a stress-relaxation protocol vs creep.

Not sure if it’s a semantics thing here - sure the motor is turning at a fixed RPM and the vacuum cup is travelling at a fixed rate and ‘creeping’ away at a fixed rate but that doesn’t make it a creep protocol. If those wooden columns weren’t there and the vacuum cup had more ‘play’ or liberty to move, it would lead to uncontrolled strain rates (even if within the space of a few cm only) and thus translate to a creep protocol. The wooden columns here are preventing that, thus making it stress-relax.

I could be wrong though but that’s my understanding.

The primary difference is that in a creep protocol, the full target load is applied at the beginning and is not changed after that. The strain occurs over time as the tissues accommodate the load. Our method here fixes the strain and then waits for the load to drop as the tissues relax, which is stress relaxation. With precision devices we are just performing a continuous version of this in micro increments.

The importance here is that applying the load rapidly at the beginning is counterproductive in a viscoelastic material. A very slow stress relaxation is much more optimal.

Originally Posted by easygainer
@Tutt

I absolutely need to get your attention! We have the first hint that you might be right about there being an optimal frequency that does not require decons!

Here’s a summary. Fdersby88 has a digital device with slow strain rates, etc.

When he was doing a session every 4 days he lost: 0.03% strain (compared to previous session)
When he was doing a session every 3 days he lost: 0.05% strain

We were wondering if he did a session every 5 days, if he’s lose just 0.02%?

And would every 6 days equate to a loss of 0.01%?
And would every 7 - 8 days = 0.00%?

Well I persuaded him to wait 8 days…he got his days mixed up and ended up waiting 9 days…the result?
He did NOT lose any strain…in fact, he gained 0.12% strain
Also, each successive session, his BPFSL went up by 1mm…For this last session where he waited 9 days, he also gained 1mm, so no gains from previous session were lost! *See link at end

So this is the first, single datapoint that indicates your hunch is right. He’s willing to wait 9 days for the next session to confirm this. Hopefully he can experiment with 8 days, 7 days, etc (as will I) to find the optimal frequency.

This is all building on your shoulders Tutt! The PE revolution might be here!

See Post #82 for his last session with the gain in session strain: easygainer - fdersby88 Strain based ultrasound LOG

That’s very good news. I had strong suspicions that this was the case, but hadn’t been able to test it. I’m glad you all have the motivation to push this forward.

Originally Posted by Tutt
The primary difference is that in a creep protocol, the full target load is applied at the beginning and is not changed after that. The strain occurs over time as the tissues accommodate the load. Our method here fixes the strain and then waits for the load to drop as the tissues relax, which is stress relaxation. With precision devices we are just performing a continuous version of this in micro increments.

The importance here is that applying the load rapidly at the beginning is counterproductive in a viscoelastic material. A very slow stress relaxation is much more optimal.

Hey TUTT,

Thank you for responding,

What if the full target load is not placed at the beginning and instead a very slow creep is performed,

You set water dripping into something that will pull the vacum cup and you adjust it to fill 2.5 litres e.g. in timeframe of 20 mins.

This would be very slow creep adding weight in micro increments. Gradualy increasing and reaching target load.

With the precise device you developed, people can increase strain in tiny increments, but how long does it takes load to decrese from stress relaxation of tissues, or you wait to see when the scale will show decrease in load and then you increase it again?

Thank you for your time!

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Hey TUTT,

Thank you for responding,

What if the full target load is not placed at the beginning and instead a very slow creep is performed,

You set water dripping into something that will pull the vacum cup and you adjust it to fill 2.5 litres e.g. in timeframe of 20 mins.

This would be very slow creep adding weight in micro increments. Gradualy increasing and reaching target load.

With the precise device you developed, people can increase strain in tiny increments, but how long does it takes load to decrese from stress relaxation of tissues, or you wait to see when the scale will show decrease in load and then you increase it again?

Thank you for your time!

Yes we have discussed that idea previously. If the load increases continually it is more like my device. But if you’re going to the effort of building a device that pours water or sand in a controlled fashion, why not just build a device like mine? @easygainer has posted plans for a cheaper version.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Yes we have discussed that idea previously. If the load increases continually it is more like my device. But if you’re going to the effort of building a device that pours water or sand in a controlled fashion, why not just build a device like mine? @easygainer has posted plans for a cheaper version.

Ohh, i am a complete barberian, I really doubt i can build it.

I was thinking about one of those water tanks with tap -

https://www.ama … /dp/B07D62PZZY/

Dripping very slowly into a bucket attached to a rope going through a roller or hook and ending with the vacum cup.

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Ohh, i am a complete barberian, I really doubt i can build it.

I was thinking about one of those water tanks with tap -

https://www.ama … /dp/B07D62PZZY/

Dripping very slowly into a bucket attached to a rope going through a roller or hook and ending with the vacum cup.

That’s too bad. I would take the steps to build this commercially and sell them, but I don’t want to go through the hassle and expense of FDA approval.

I re-read my post on SR vs Creep and it was not entirely helpful. The main issue isn’t necessarily the timing of the max load, although it is related. The defining characteristic of a creep protocol is that the determiner of strain rate is the tissues themselves. That is, a load is applied and the tissues strain at the fastest rate the viscoelasticity will allow. So the load is the independent variable and the strain rate is the dependent variable.

In stress relaxation, the strain rate is the independent variable and the load is the dependent variable.

Of the two, strain rate is critical to gains and load is circumstantial. Understanding that, it makes no sense to precisely control the significantly less important variable and allow the critical variable to run wild. Instead, we control for the critical variable and allow the load to increase coincidentally.

So whatever device you build, it must have the ability to control the strain rate. Then once the max load is achieved (typically around 3kg) the tissues are cooled and the treatment is done.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Flaccid length is primarily related to the musculature, both the supporting muscles and the smooth muscle tissue in the shaft. For example, lots of masturbation while clenching the pelvic floor will result in a tightening of the muscles. Also things like anterior pelvic tilt cause the penis to retract somewhat. And low blood flow cause the size of the shaft to shrink in both girth ans length while flaccid.

Generally, your flaccid will improve with repeated treatment with your new device.


If I work on correcting my anterior pelvic tilt by strengting and stretching the muscles related ,that will improve the blood flow to the area? Correcting ATP takes time ,during that time , If I continue practicing my Pe routine ( it’s based on 5.5square with infrared pads), will my flaccid still grow or it will be limited until I somehow correct ATP ?

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