Dr. Elist Wants to Censor Thunder’s Place

Well I’m no lawyer but I watch a lot of Judge Judy. If a contractor does a bad job that is working for you, you can post and tell other people he is not worth hiring and post pictures of his work and say you are not hiring him again. You have a right to tell people you are dissatisfied.

I just want to say that with penis enlargement surgery there are safe and dangerous procedures:

Safe: lengthening surgery consisting of cutting the suspensory ligament.

Own body fat thickening surgery.

Thats it only 2 safe procedures.

Dangerous procedures:

Any type of implant of a foreign object is Dangerous! Silicone implant, pmma injection all dangerous and should be avoided!

Not much information to determine exactly what actions to take ,the doctor obviously didn’t look after the health of his patient as seen in the photos, the doctor did not decline that its his work, the only irrefutable evidence in this case is the transaction of the patient ,legitimizing that indeed it was from who he claims it to be from.
The counter argument can be made that the doctor has lost so much business because of bad practice that in an effort to get a leg up ,he is attacking/silencing the individual that put him there, no humility representing the current action taken from the surgeon in which case the forum is the perfect place to have discussions validating the forums existence and relevancy is absolutely necessary

The advice was to think before choosing surgery ,its not exactly what a surgeon wants to hear ,especially naming and pointing

Questioning morality in this case boils down to goods and services ,the patient didn’t walk out with the most expensive bit of plastic ever after the surgery ,in fact he returned it ,to which the surgeon sent back to the manufacturer for a refund.

No one goes to a dodgy dealership and says excuse me can I have your finest stolen car please ,yeah sure il take the most expensive insurance you’ve got .police impounds the car you lose everything. Fuck off

You’d be screaming he’s name from every hill on site

Admit-tingly a marketing tactic that ends his reputation.
Doctor vs patient.
But the patient is anonymous
Like a ghost but the ghost of his failures

I have another perspective. There is a risk an operation can go wrong there are certainly no surgeon that can guarantee a succesful implant operation. It seems the patient had an unfortunate complication but the doctor supervised his situation all through the first sogn of complications, directing him to a local urologist to make sure there was no immediate need for revision.

In the end the doctor unfortunately had to remove the implant. He did so free of charge. Unfortunately the patient didnt get a full refund, but then again the doctor isnt doing charitable work and there was risks involved with the procedure in the first place. As I understand it txhog is recovering more and more from following a penis pumping schedule as directed by the doctor in order to regain the lost Erection length.

I dont think the doctor did anything wrong or at any stage risked the health of his patient. Also many people are happy with the doctor elist implant and although the implant is kind of visible in the flaccid state this is the safest operation that can provide such a dramatic increase in flaccid size. The size increase from a doctor elist implant is extreme. It is not even comparable to as dangerous procedures as pmma which can not be removed should any complications arise. I think if you haw a really small penis a doctor elist implant might be a good option. And there are people who have increased their flaccid five fold and are very happy with their dr elist implant.

Reputation is everything to these guys.
So defamation laws go hand in hand when dealing with one. But this was the clients experience which isn’t defamation if a service was provided, imagine a spray painter being sued because your car got scratched at the supermarket

Bright side ,he didn’t amputate

Plastic surgery carries risks but the value of those risks is ultimately determined by the doctor himself ,if it were experimental.

Surely walking away empty handed after a service is wrong, the client has the right to complain if he is unsatisfied.

The other other reason for the threat could be the fault of the client as he described nocturnal erections ,to which its possible that he pulled his own stitches resulting in what the surgeon calls unfair .

I can find fault in both of them at this point

Complications with a Dr. Elist Implant is the rule, not the exception.

Check out Phallobaoards.com for the countless penises that have been permanently damaged by this doctor.

I have literally never heard of a successful penis enlargement surgery.

Only various degrees of complications.

Actually, I’ve seen many men with DIY implants using paraffin/kanamicine/other substances as well, btw, NO amputation feedback from any of them, some guy who had it for over 10 years implanted told me the “body is trying to reject it at some point” but he didn’t seem to be bothered by this, anyway, KEEP IN MIND he had 5 KANAMICINE TUBES inserted, that’s 500grams of foreign substance, most of the other guys had 2-3 inserted max, but like PE can become addictive so is this I believe, they were doing it repeatedly, acheiving girths higher than 20cm most of them, they had like weird looking bowling ball penises because the stuff migrated downwards to the glans *probably even 30cm girth while like this, most of them were also very “stupid” in terms of any kind of knowledge, I saw these guys mostly in jail btw*…crazy.

Anyway, I hate penis implants and other surgical ways, especially when there is Thunders and all the other members willing to help anyone achieve gains through proper PE…sorry about the OP, hope he is well

The last time anyone sued me I sent him down in scorching flames with two words-

“request discovery”

Not only did the clown fail to “timely comply” with my request he ended up having to provide me with all his records - which I used to submit a motion to dismiss his suit (granted).

It depends on the state laws involved, but as a rule anyone who sues you has to provide their RECORDS upon request of the defendant in a timely manner.

If this guy is the shit salad he appears to be he won’t want to disclose records, and his threats are pure butt bilge - but consult an attorney in the proper jurisdiction to be sure.

Anyone that thinks they can use legal threats against a forum (which has certain legal protections as it’s not a publication) is probably being scammed by their lawyer(s).

It’s PR 101, if someone writes something you don’t like online, ignore it or try to convince them of your perspective. That’s really all you can do without having it backfire. You can’t resolve disputes like this through the court system because that’s not what courts are for, there are no laws against giving a bad review and discussing it, and judges will deliberately drag out your case before discovery to punish you through lawyer fees.

I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve seen it happen to the tune of nearly $10 million in total once. Lawyers will bleed you dry, the judges will laugh at you behind the bench, and your name will be burned into the memory of the legal system through dockets and may end up in legal reviews. By trying to sue, you will only make yourself look worse, that’s why a PR consultant that actually works for you will advise against it.

Talk to a retired judge. Defamation and slander lawsuits stories are among their most amusing.

Now if you were being slandered and defamed by a business competitor, that’s a totally different situation. I knew a guy that had his business targeted by a competitor who was using the internet to spread bogus reviews. Very hard to prove it’s a competitor if they use the slightest precaution and post anonymously. But if you’re trying to sue an individual for an opinion or a bad review, you’re going to have a bad time.

Also, if one of the users of the forum you’re suing happens to have some sort of government protection from information requests, the ISPs will inform the gov when you request the data, your case will be shut down, and every record of your life, especially the people you come in contact with, will be scrutinized. If it’s a big forum, your chances of stumbling across one of these people is surprisingly high.

Again, I’m not a lawyer and this isn’t legal advice. I’m not even talking about this case in particular.

Agreed. If you’ve ever had surgery of any type, you realize how foreign it is to cut open skin and re-arrange, remove, or add to anything inside, then zip you back up. It’s a reality of modern life and it saves lives. My Dad just got his heart done. But it also makes you hope for the day when cutting open humans will be seen as barbaric, akin to our view today of bloodletting or trepanning. Such elective surgery as penis enlargement, short of the couple mentioned above, is madness.

You’d be mostly right (you described invasive methods like de-gloving) in ascribing the dangers of elective medical penis enlargement, but times have changed — common knowledge on the matter has not.

The reality is that a significant sample size over nearly a decade have demonstrated the legitimacy & efficacy of girth enhancement (via non-surgical dermal filler injections via skilled & experienced practitioners). Some more “invasive” techniques also remain viable, although I could see reasons to opt for non-surgical options instead. Lengthening still remains hit-or-miss.

This all said, there still remains a few “players” in the industry that ensure sentiments expressed by yourself and others (e.g. “madness”) will continue to persist, despite any credible advancements in the field. Those “players” tend to be physicians that may-or-may-not be cited in this thread, but I’ll let the facts speak for themselves.

As far as “madness” in pursuing penis enlargement is concerned, I would (maybe) agree if the individual was already well-endowed. However, I suspect many lurkers are too embarrassed or disinterested in sharing their starting stats, the same type of men who aren’t “mad” for considering all viable options. If women have standardized elective options, why can’t men? And as men, we do have those choices now. I can say that in light of a decade’s worth of skepticism & cynicism. There’s a decade worth of content and first-hand photo evidence to review if you’d like to challenge that assertion.

Male cosmetic enhancement is real and is going to trend in the new decade. I’d know, I went from snugger-fit condoms to Magnum XL’s over the past decade with zero instances of complications, and I know many hundreds of others who’ve made their case via progress reports with the highest degree of scrutiny & moderation. What we also know is that some techniques historically cited as reasons to avoid phalloplasty are becoming increasingly obsolete, much like some of the methods employed by “certain doctors” found in this thread. That in it of itself is a sign that the PE market is evolving.

Are there risks associated with penis enlargement procedures? Of course, but they’ve come a long way from complications-of-old. We now live in a time where reasonable elective alternatives exist if attaining girth via manual PE exercises fail (e.g. pumping, jelqing, hanging, etc). I wouldn’t recommend this to men of above-average or average endowment, and I only chimed in because I think the term “madness” downplays the justifiable motivations of smaller men.

Good luck and always do your research. Be mindful of the scams associated with this industry and demand irrefutable evidence (example: credible before & after photos, etc) when making serious commitments to penis enlargement.

Cheers everyone, and may Santa bless us all with a fatter dick this coming year & decade!

Messageman! You got both the spelling & domain wrong, but I appreciate the looking out for the fellow man!

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Usually, a cease-and-desist letter is more a scare tactic than anything else. However, there are always those who have the money to pursue litigation even in those situations when they already suspect they’ve little chance of winning. Why? It is usually done in hopes to frighten someone before it ever going as far as court, an avoidance of sort. Because it is a way to scare their subject into submission.

As for actually pursuing legal means, it’s the old game of suing someone into submission by bleeding their finances dry. One extremely wealthy individual did this very thing to the U.S., government a few years back when the IRS opened a sub agency specifically meant to target the super wealthy who were not paying their taxes. And yes, despite whatever so-called tax rates supposedly their bracket lies in, very very few of them ever pay that, if any at all. That’s what very high-end legal offices and accountants are for, not to mention the list of politicos they’ve bought or put into office to pass tax codes in their favor. Think GE International and the long list of other multinationals that often get away with claiming a loss, thus reaping in billions from the taxpayers at the end of their corporate tax year as a result. Don’t you wish you could do that? In this case, the individual succeeded in burying the IRS in mounds of counter suing, objections, mistrials, etc., for so long that it was no longer prudent or economical for the government to continue and that was just one person.

With the amount of wealth, the top 8% have amassed these past four decades, let alone the top 1%, yes, the country is in a very dangerous position. More importantly the average American is in far more danger. We’ve always had an aristocracy of sorts, but it’s been these past four decades that its grown so powerful and amasses so much wealth that we’ve in essence recreated the very thing the early colonists and our forefathers fought against in the first place. It’s the reason why we exist, or at one time did.

Needless to say, that sub agency was closed and considered a failure. Even the U.S., doesn’t have that kind of cash to throw at the super wealthy. A very small percentage of the population who now own and control 97% plus of all American assets and resources. They’ve not just amassed billions but trillions. The last quarter of 2024 saw just the top 1% alone amass 44 trillion dollars just in stock income and nowhere else. That was due to multiple industry wide lying about raising prices due to inflation and other lies, when it had nothing to do with that. American companies artificially caused the inflation rate to be 56% higher than it actually was due to hiding behind the fact that inflation existed. Don’t mistake this for "numerous" companies. Not this was nationwide "industry" wide lying. This study was released by Forbes Magazine in March, proving what they suspected as early 2022. The media pretty much denied it, ridiculed it, and marginalized and made the story a low interest one. And as of today, nothing has been done about it. Americans haven’t stopped spending to express their anger, quite the opposite. Only one Senator has tried to get a bill to the floor to prevent future price gouging, but nothing is being done about what already has occurred. In fact, prices are still artificially rising just the same on everything from rent to candy. It’s the kind of people we wish to be, and the kind of country we’ve created for ourselves. So, we live with it. Americans should be shivering in their pantaloons at the idea that not just one, but two companies (or individuals) can amass so much coin that they can organize, create, and carry forth with their own space programs.

Anyway.

So, this game of aiming and shooting at those who publicly decry harmful people with money is too often a losing game unless you’re in their economic circle. But even then, there is a sort of code among thieves. Doctors know who amongst them is and isn’t worth their medical licenses, yet they will be the last to come forward unless subpoenaed to testify against them. Even then, expect a lot of hedging. Physicianhood is indeed a brotherhood like any other profession. They don’t tattle on one another. Even in cases of serious malfeasance.

Someone brought up the First Amendment, suggesting that it provides one the right to say what they will with no repercussions. There is a common misunderstanding regarding the First Amendment and what that actually means as it applies to Americans. Yes, you have the right to express yourself. But that generally means you are free of censorship by authority, especially government. However, it doesn’t mean that you can walk up to someone’s house and paint a diatribe in marker pen on their front door and not expect to be held accountable for it, even if it is true. Nor can you expect to say what you will, right or wrong and not have to either pay a penalty or reap a reward if it ends up being a lie.

All freedoms and rights come with heavy responsibility, and somewhere along the line too many Americans have either forgotten or no longer accept this. What it means in common vernacular is that your rights end where my nose begins. If what you say is proven to be libel, a lie, untrue, malicious intent to cause harm, create violence, incite a riot, etc., you will be held accountable. Remember, you cannot expect to yell fire in a crowded theater and get away with it. Especially if someone is hurt in the rush to the exits when there is no fire. So, no. The First Amendment is not a force field or a magic bullet, or a get out of jail free card allowing you to say anything you wish, while the person you are saying whatever about must simply sit there as a captive audience and accept it.

So, in this situation what the doc is doing is forcing Thunder to stop allowing someone to post their experience with his practice to protect his "best interests". Which says much about his medical intentions and physicians’ oath. Regardless, he is using his probable wealth to push his weight around suspecting that the forum doesn’t generate nearly the kind of revenue his practice does in good ol’ California, the capital of plastic surgery (or is that Miami now?). It’s a bit sleazy, but then he elongates guys Wienerschnitzel’s for a living to pay for his toys and American lifestyle. He’s not a cardiologist, or immunologist, or anyone who is in the practice to save someone’s life. He just cashes in on a lot of guys with delicate egos, of which one can capitalize on quite abundantly. I wouldn’t expect anything above the board from a guy like that.

Welcome to the forum, Sapling. Have you found our Darkness at Noon forum? 3/4 of your post would find a better home there.

The separation of rights and responsibilities in society is a big problem as is the fact that oligarchs have such control over the country, supplanting the people.

Elist or someone working in furtherance of his interests had the results for this page removed from google which was an effective way of reducing it’s reach. Now people have to share it by hand if they want others to see it. Unfortunately google have sufficiently broken their search engine to make it useless for the task it was originally engineered for.