Fool_4's automatic PE device

Hello all, I am new here and this is my first post. I think this question would have made a better general header post, but as I am new it’s not possible.
Does anyone have any experience with using shock loading of their “member” and the results from such? I am wondering as to the effect of trying a DC motor/Servomotor and a logic controller to provide a metered and controlled tension (simple cord around a spindle or timing belt) that either holds steady or perhaps increases and decreases tension is a sinusoidal manner. In addition to this either constant or porpoising tension, pulses, or “jerks” (of a controlled amplitude) be added in, also of either constant or varying “torque” and interval.
Any thoughts, experiences, comments, please chime in as I will probably construct such a device withing a week (work load permitting).

Thanks guys.

One more thought. Has anyone any experience with the use of electrical currents to cause tissue growth in their PE activities. I recall seeing several different articles where bone growth was encouraged by small currents passed across a break or spaced femur (when trying to add height in the case of “little people”). Seems an obvious addition provided there is no base of knowledge in the PE realm that it’s counter-productive/ineffectual. I can not find anything via Pub-med or general searching on the effects to soft tissue, but it’s intriguing.
Maybe a combination of these things could become the “microwave” of large endowment.

Any comments welcome. I seem to have too many ideas that might just leave one weinerless if improperly attempted.

Thanks again.

Fool_4

“Shock load” and “electro stimulation” somehow send cold shivers down my spine. All I understood as by now at Thundersplace is kind of a basic rule that you need patience, devotion and time, a lot of time!
Now I would sincerely have doubts if applying electical tension to my best friend is not a little risky as a starter. I mean there are nerves in there which can be damaged by applying too much Volts and (especially!) too much Ampères.
And the penis is not exactly comparable to the muscles in your body, although there is some muscular tissue in it.

The bone growing theory may be right (for broken and separated bones), but I guess that is not exactly what you want to do to the only penis you got (breaking for growth!).
And: I doubt too that all these fantastic six-pack-producing devices you see on the commercial channels don’t work (for the customer) as foreseen but do work perfectly for the manufacturer in terms of sales figures.
There are no real shortcuts, only sincere effort produces results.

I think I may suggest to keep to the newbies’s routine for the first three months and then decide if things are working or not. And by then your penis may be used to be stretched/jelqed and so on, whatever your routine will be by then

Just a newbie’s two cents

Richard65

I was not meaning that the “electro stimulation” be applied with the intent of causing “muscle work”, but of working at a cellular level to encourage division. Also shock loading seems it would be the best quickest way to induce the much desired “micro tears” in both tunic and tendon. With tension held at a steady level tissues adjust to that, the occasional pulse of tension would theoretically in effect “surprise” the tissues in question.

Anyone know anything about either of these ideas?

Thanks thrice
F4

I know absolutely nothing about your ideas except they are original and innovative. The idea of controlled “pulses” or “jerks” as well as using elecro-stimulation to encourage cell division is most interesting.

I have been wondering about dynamic PE in general and your ideas certainly reflect dynamic applications.

I wish I could offer you more help in these areas.

Please keep us up to date.

Maybe this thread might be along the lines you’re of, electro stimulation under vacuum pressure.

New e-stim cylinder from Thickwall

F4

I would like to express my apologizes if you think I did oversimplify it.
Some web research has convinced me it seems to work for cambium cells responsible for bone cell production.
I suppose the underlying bone has a big influence on shock-wave reflection too.
But this is a very limited application sector and I still have my doubts if it is directly comparable with bone-less tissue.
And: 3000 pulses with 0,4 Joule per square millimeter each - now that is a really huge amount of energy..

But if it is working - yes, that might be good, for sure.
I am wondering too if somebody has already tried it and can share experiences.

Best regards

Richard65

Sorry I bristled in my last post a tad, It seemed strange no one had anything to say about either idea, other than a tad of discouragement. Here is what I have constructed this afternoon, it’s an implementation of the servo based tension rig theorized about, but with a twist. Penile attachment is done via “pinch valve” (fashioned from bicycle inner tube) at the neck of a pumping tube. In one frame I threw in some items that will make up the control set. Pictured are a servo valve, vacuum pump, vacuum transmitter (4-20ma), and of course the cylinder and it’s tracks and servo motor that will provide jelqing force and the much ballihooed “jerks”.
Has anyone ever tried ADJ? Or at least ANJ? This apparatus will need to be suspended under a desk for day use or over your junk for the all night sessions. Keep in mind this is all logic controller based so I will be able to program the force of tug, vacuum applied, force of pinch pressure (when operating in jelq mode). So you could crash and have this this do “sets” in the night with mild retention vacuum during breaks. Just have to learn to sleep on my back right?

Working away, this is a lot of engineering going into this thing. I wish I have one of those short range ultrasonic sensors from automationdirect, that way the unit could see exactly how much of the penis in question was inside. Heck what incentive that would provide if you took the value and scaled it to inches! Realtime readout of any growth! I am getting giddy at the thought of turning this “frankencock machine” on.

I have seen all the posts about manual stretching and about how much determination, will and tenacity PE requires. I did try the hand stuff and I must have weak hands because it sure felt like manual labor. I am an automation guy, we automate the repetitions and the tedious! Electro stim is on the fire too, I have an arbitrary waveform gen and a suitable amplifier on my shelf.. Just soooo many variables.

While I think you are really on to something here, I can’t help but wonder what the final cost would be in a piece of equipment like this. The pictures show a highly engineered piece of equipment.

I think taking PE into the 21st Century even if more effective might also be costly.

There has to be some thread around about TENS on the penis. By what I remember, it did nothing.

I was not thinking TENS style stimulus, in that TENS plays with duty cycle to make it’s stimulus “feel” to be more than it is. This is not the approach I was thinking as I was going to be using either DC or full waveform AC (possibly offset + or - with or without zero crossing).
One other feature or bug of this stimulus would be the numbing/analgesic effects of electro stim, it would mean not feeling the “workout”, which I am pretty sure could be uncomfortable. The motor I am using for tension has enough power to injure at about 200LBS calculated torque (presuming a 12mm timing pulley is used). Throw in that the pinch valve’s servo valve is connected to my shop air (150PSI), so it’s capable of pinching Mr. Willie right off as well. (Secondary regulator is planned for safety) The vacuum pump is the weak link with a max vac of ~24” Hg, still painful. Just realized this morning I will have to add a vacuum accumulator tank, to pick up the slack of this less than stellar CFM vacuum pump. With all these considerations and the fact that if electro stim is added there will be little if any feeling in the penis during operation, I am thinking the electro part needs to wait until code is written, trusted and tested (on a banana or something). I will have to have made myself comfy with a number of issues before true daily use is realized. I will get it done though.

F4

PS this is not about producing something practical, prototypes seldom are, this is about testing some ideas. Any future production units would not be done with PLC and IO cards and HMI etc.. This thing will run $10K+ by the time I am done with just what I have discussed. Production would mean micro-controller and purpose built ckty, injection molded parts and a FAR more polished device and way lower per unit pricing for sure.

That’s some contraption you’re building there, looks interesting.

I seem to remember reading though that cyclic strain on connective tissue strengthened it more than lengthened.

Well F4 - In my opinion you’re doing the most interesting stuff in the forum right now.

Statistically, in driving for instance, the more you remove from the hands of the operator, the safer and better the results. This was proven when the cruise control stats came in.

After everything is said and done, you could very well end up with the safest and most efficient and effective PE methodolgy around although I see many years in development ahead of you. However, I’m sure you already know this.

About when do you estimate your prototype up and running?

Yea, it looks like Sci-fi dude.

I encourage your creativity! But be careful mate.

Good luck!