Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

A few observations:

A number of us here at Thunders have commented that our firm, nocturnal erections are very often girthier than our conscious, sexual ones. They feel thicker in the hand; I’ve even gone so far as to measure a few of them in the night and came up with about .25 inch more girth than my measured daytime erections. Also, it’s been noted by others that an eighty or ninety percent conscious erection is often fatter than a totally firm erection.

In the case of nocturnal erections it seems logical that the parasympathic nervous system, which is definitely pro-erection in one of its functions and takes over while we are unconscious, allows for some unusual outward deformation of the tunica than does the sympathetic nervous system. In the case of a conscious erection at, say, 80 percent, the tunica is clearly less rigid and so jelking and modified Ulis are more PE-productive than when we become yet more erect.

The implication here is that my tunica, and maybe yours, is capable right now of expanding to hold more cavernosal volume than it usually does when I have a firm erection.

Trick is, 1) how to get that 1/4th inch, or whatever, all the time :) and 2) how to get the tunica to relax yet further to make girth increase easier. OR, to cause the tunica sheath to grow wider and longer.

PNS (Parasympathetic Nervous System) definately is relevant here, since it’s known as the rest & digest part of the autonomic nerveous system (ANS).

Fair enough, chip.

On a side note: would you mind using spell check? :)

I’m not just busting on you; it’s part of the forum guidelines for membership here. Thanks again. :leftie:

A few observations:

A number of us here at Thunders have commented that our firm, nocturnal erections are very often girthier than our conscious, sexual ones. They feel thicker in the hand; I’ve even gone so far as to measure a few of them in the night and came up with about .25 inch more girth than my measured daytime erections. Also, it’s been noted by others that an eighty or ninety percent conscious erection is often fatter than a totally firm erection.

In the case of nocturnal erections it seems logical that the parasympathic nervous system, which is definitely pro-erection in one of its functions and takes over while we are unconscious, allows for some unusual outward deformation of the tunica than does the sympathetic nervous system. In the case of a conscious erection at, say, 80 percent, the tunica is clearly less rigid and so jelking and modified Ulis are more PE-productive than when we become yet more erect.

The implication here is that my tunica, and maybe yours, is capable right now of expanding to hold more cavernosal volume than it usually does when I have a firm erection.

Trick is, 1) how to get that 1/4th inch, or whatever, all the time :) and 2) how to get the tunica to relax yet further to make girth increase easier. OR, to cause the tunica sheath to grow wider and longer.

I wear a flexible penis ring (Peloop) at night and when I wake with a very hard erection, I kegel against it for 10 - 15 minutes. In light of the results in the Journal of Andrology paper that mravg gave us, this might not do anything as they did not see any increase in cavernosa pressure with voluntary kegels. I’ll continue to do it anyway because I still think it might do some good (holding the stretch at a longer tunica fiber length). Even if it doesn’t, it feels good.

Sorry for the typo—trust me, this is a word I’m used to typing day in day out.

I’m definately biased here, but also this is one of the very few M.D.s I’ve found to write about the subject of penis enlargement, so I thought I’d mention it here.

In light of the results in the Journal of Andrology paper that mravg gave us, this might not do anything as they did not see any increase in cavernosa pressure with voluntary kegels. I’ll continue to do it anyway because I still think it might do some good (holding the stretch at a longer tunica fiber

Even if it doesn’t, it feels good.

How long have you been wearing this Peloop ring for ? It looks as though the increased blood volume and resulting tension induced isn’t enough to affect size, as this would otherwise have been reported.

Wouldn’t wearing a penis pump at night at a low vacuum, over a half erected penis be a good idea ? That being said, it’d be quite ackward for those who toss and turn :)

I’ve been thinking about this a lot since I first read this. I think that Sparkyx is on to a very important point here. In fact, I think this concept might be so important as to take us further down the road towards the Holy Grail of PE: why and how do we grow.

Yes Sparkyx, wall tension is everything. As I noted in the thread on the connective tissue mechanisms of connective tissue remodeling (Possible reason for PE induced growth), tension is the most important stimulus. The question we all ask is: what type of tension and how intense?

Tension is tension, no matter the cause. But how this tension is generated and when is important.

There is a very important and simple principle known as LaPlaces’s Law that describe wall tension (which tunica stretch is).

OH NO, not another scientific explanation!! Please bear with me, this is actually simple and important. I’ll make it simple.

If you have a tube (like the cavernosa) with a radius, r, with a wall (like the tunica) with a thickness, M, with an internal pressure, P, then you can describe the tension on the wall (the tunica), T, by the following equation:

T = P * r/M. [Tension on the tunica = (radius of the cavernosa X cavernosa pressure)/tunica thickness]

Let’s assume that tunica thickness does not change, so M is constant (it may not be but for giggles and grins, let’s assume it is). Therefore, tension increases by increased pressure, radius or both.

I wear the Peloop more as penis ring then for it’s purported effects. I believe in the magnetism, the rest is garbage.

I wear a flexible penis ring (Peloop) at night and when I wake with a very hard erection, I kegel against it for 10 - 15 minutes. In light of the results in the Journal of Andrology paper that mravg gave us, this might not do anything as they did not see any increase in cavernosa pressure with voluntary kegels. I’ll continue to do it anyway because I still think it might do some good (holding the stretch at a longer tunica fiber length). Even if it doesn’t, it feels good.

Also, it’s been noted by others that an eighty or ninety percent conscious erection is often fatter than a totally firm erection.

Whatever their paper says, experience (mine, my gf’s with my dick is as follows:

If I do a strong and sustained kegel, there is an indisputable increase of my dick’s circumference probably - very likely - as a consequence of increased pressure, since the dick feels harder during the maneuver.

As you said, the study was done under ‘extreme’ conditions (pharmacologically induced and maintained maintained erection, needles here and there). This may explain differences with experience and other studies.

It is really distracting to what degree the study design can influence the results; to the extent that the conclusion may only be relevant to the experimental model and conditions studied.

The tunica is a 3D-mesh-work. If you stretch it to the max you have less expandibility for girth and vice versa.