IPR macro cycles and gains?

What would be indicators that R phase is done? When do the gains show up in the IPR cycle?

As best I know, there’s no hard indicator that R-phase has concluded. Period. You guesstimate how much time you need to rest.

Gains show up, in a typical 3 week cycle, somewhere around 12 days it may trend upwards. For me, a bit later towards the end of I-phase. Otherwise, at any point during the R-phase. So any time up to 3 months after the last traumas. Usually within 2 months though. Not an exact science. It truly goes on feel and faith for a lot of it.

Like I said, my average size when measuring simply is higher. I haven’t flat out logged .25” length gain unless you count from December of 2016.

I like to think of my real, permanent, cemented size - as whatever my size is at the end of an R-phase, after a month or two of total rest. Then I’ll do a cycle. I’ll see some gains during I-phase. Then I’ll see some gains again during P-phase. And then I’ll lose some of those gains during R-phase, as some of the new tissue is incorporated into the penis and the rest is discarded. But my new permanent size is a little bigger than it was last time around.

So 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

I can’t feel any indicator to the end of R-phase (except the size change mentioned above, but I no longer am tedious enough to track that).

However, I can feel the end of I-phase (which continues for about 2 weeks after the last workout). So don’t mistake the end of I-phase for the end of R-phase. It’s more like the beginning of R-phase.

Strange coincidence that this thread is about this this morning, as last night I was wondering how often and at which points in the phases does one measure. Xeno’s very in depth graphs and stats led me to believe he was measuring relatively often, but I’m not totally sure, as his first year graph was just a more generalized type of PE, not the IPR type of cycles. But I know he must have had some kind of an eye an it, otherwise he couldn’t know his gains were slowing up at the twelfth day mark.

Did you ever try to resume PE into the R phase before you lost size or when you saw the first signs of a decrease?

If you are not the type that gets depressed when measuring bad numbers then the more you measure the better.

I measured yesterday, to see where I’m at after four weeks of no PE, and had a BPEL measurement of seven and a half, which is a number I only ever see after a workout, and even then, it’s pretty rare. So that was a high point of my day yesterday. But I figure I have to know right where I am when I start this cycle. Strange to have a seven and a half inch long, by five and a half inch around, dick. That’s bigger than I believed it could ever be when I first started entertaining the possibility that I could make my dick bigger. But lo and behold…..

Yeah, I’ve tried cutting R-phase short, to speed up the cycle frequency. But avoiding the size loss of R-phase is also avoiding the integration of the new tissue. The longer the remodeling phase lasts, the easier the gains come in the next cycle. So there’s a sweet spot in R-phase duration that balances these two principles.

I don’t measure daily anymore like I used to. Those are my observations though, and since these gains and losses are on such a small scale, the measuring is quite tedious.

It’s kind of like this. Imagine your fully rested dick. Either never done PE before, or is coming off a 3 month rest. It is size X ci.

Then you do an I-phase. The dick gets inflamed. No new cells are formed (that is an oversimplification but go with it) however the dick is bigger, because it’s inflamed. It is now size X + 0.3 ci. However, the 0.3 ci extra is just inflammation. It’s fluid. It’s faux size. Structurally, the penis is not yet bigger (again an oversimplification since aspects of all these phases are happening in real time constantly)

Then you stop I-phase. P-phase begins, and the healing response of the body creates new collagen, new cells. They are like buildings blocks, not yet a part of anything. This new building material adds some size. The 0.3 ci of inflammation has reduced down to 0.1 ci. However, the new building materials have added 0.3 ci. The dick is now X + 0.4 ci in size. But structurally, the penis is not yet bigger. It’s just some inflammation and a bunch of new building blocks sitting around the real structures.

Then R-phase begins. The inflammation has completely subsided, so the remaining 0.1 ci of inflammation is now 0. There are 0.3 ci of materials sitting around, to be used to heal and re-strengthen the damaged structures of the penis. The body uses 0.2 ci of this material, and weaves it into our existing collagen structures. The remaining 0.1 ci is excess and gets discarded. Finally, the penis is structurally bigger. But as we measure it, the dick size is now X + 0.2 ci. It seems like a loss during R-phase, but this is when the real growth occurs.

If you skip R-phase, yes you are staring a new cycle and your dick is X + 0.4 ci at the beginning of the cycle. However, the underlying structures are still only size X. The extra 0.4 ci is just 0.1 ci of inflammation and 0.3 ci of unincorporated collagen sitting around. What will happen is the penis gets fully re-inflamed, up to X + 0.6 ci. The building blocks of collagen sitting around actually gets almost completely discarded since the body can’t weave it into tissues that are getting re-damaged. It would be like rebuilding a house during an earthquake. So that extra collagen is just lost, and the size is down to X + 0.3 ci during I-phase and you’re back where you’re started.

That is again an oversimplification. Certainly cutting R-phase short, there has already been some remodeling occurring, and it is not a complete waste of time. But that was just to illustrate why the “size loss” is actually when the real healing and growth is happening.

Ok that sounds possible. I guess it depends a lot on this inflammation and how it really puffed up size with lymph fluid, but the IPR principle calls for a pretty reckless I phase so what you say makes sense (at least in terms of girth, not sure how you’d get longer through inflammation). An other possibility is that the present tissues are stretched , then you add new tissue and since you don’t do any PE for some time the previous stretched tissues reduce to their original size some.

This fluid thing makes me wonder whether length and girth work should be treated the same way, i.e. increase in length through inflammation is nonsense imo.

BD, that was a great explanation! Made it easy to understand.

To avoid inflammation in R phase we shouldn’t​ go beyond the elastic range, where plastic deformation and micro tears happen. Elastic expansion doesn’t create inflammation. I mean an erection is basically elastic expansion in the lower range..
I think adc/ads style PE shouldn’t be a problem in R phase. If it were we should also avoid erections​/intercourse during it..

Why would it work for one and not the other? New cellular material cannot somehow only take up space in one direction, in this case “radially”. It’s not possible.

Fluid with girth work just happens more cause the expansion onto the tunica is from inside out pressing fluids into the skin.