Ligament Healing And PE

This place really helps a lot of people…frustrates some but for the most part education is the key. For those that get frustrated I would have some empathy for. My life schedule made it easy for me to maintain a consistent almost daily exercise routine. For those that can’t, because of work or privacy issues all I can say is that this is a demanding endeavor. My circumstances have changed so I know what it’s like to not be able to be consistent and my results have slowed because of it. I look forward to more stability here in the near future.

Lig stretching is a science that we study here. Coming to an understanding of the character of those tissues is key to not only success at lengthening but also preventing plateaus that frustrate our efforts. Ligs are not the only tissues that we have to lengthen of course we also have nerves, blood vessels, the urethra, and last but not at all least the corpus cavernosa. A doctor could no doubt tear me apart for my incomplete list but you get the idea.

Hey Monty!

Glad to see you posting again! I have always held your approach in high esteem for those seeking to gain through hanging.

I would love to see you update your approach from the perspective you have now. Targeting those that have never hung, and taking it through the different stages you experienced, and how to adapt to an adapting body.

Also, now that you have had a pretty long layoff, and have begun again…do you think there is an absolute limit, like Wads “elastic reserve” that cannot be gone past…or do you think with time, gains can continue indefinitely?

Boy, Taking it through the different stages? That would be a book I’m afraid.

Actually, my approach really hasn’t changed all that much in the last couple of years. I would say that the learning curve was extensive but when it started to work I was spurred on by reasonable results. That’s where my understanding of the character of Ligament tissue became clear.

One of the clarifying moments came when I found an article on Prolotherapy. It dealt with artificially restarting the healing process to correct stretched or damaged ligaments and tendons that healed incorrectly. Mostly used for ankle sprains that left the individual with a limp and weakened joints that continued to give problems such as dislocation, this therapy caused the area to become irritated just like the original injury. Swelling took place and when the process went to completion the ligament and tendons restored themselves back to original tightness. In effect shortening and strengthening the ligaments and tendons. This could be used in our quest for longer ligaments but I just can’t bring myself to ask a doctor to inject me with a substance that traumatizes my dick chemically. I figure I can do it myself with more control on my part. Would be a very interesting experiment though.

You ask if I think there is a limit to stretching and my answer would have to be definitely “NO”. It might be difficult and it might take a significant amount of time but once an individual finds out what works for him I think he could make himself a monster cock. My wife wouldn’t like it but it sure would be fun to intimidate her with. Frankly I’m finally seeing the 8 3/4 mark and she complains now that her jaw gets sore, especially when I do a dose of C but she asked me the other day while we were together if I was longer? I felt like saying DUH! Thank you noticing. She can really open up when she gets turned on so I can understand her question. It takes a lot to reach her limit but I’m getting there.

Yeah, I remember Prolotherapy. Always thought it was really a good approach, but don’t hear about it anymore.

Could you link your best article explaining your approach here? AND, could you add anything you’ve learned since then that you think is important?

Thanks in advance!

I’ve got a hard copy of the article here but I haven’t been able to find it from the same location as my original. There are still quit a few articles about it out there though they just don’t explain it as well as the one I found. Mine goes into depth about the three phases of healing and what each does. Then it explains how the therapy simulates that process.

What I’ve really learned is something I haven’t been able to nail down yet as to the best approach. and that is heat or no heat. I’ve tried to collect meaningful data and for the life of me I can’t see a difference. Heat is nice but I would really like to decide whether or not there is a difference. On the one hand if you stretch cold ligs then you can get damage which is what we want. On the other hand if you heat, your going to cause more elongation due to the plastic affect. If cooling after would solidify the gains then wonderful but I haven’t seen that result. Heat in my mind doesn’t enable damage to take place, just stretching which returns to normal when cooled again so no actual gains.

I don’t know both approaches have validity but which is better, still isn’t something I can get my head around.

Actually, I meant YOUR articles of how you do what you do. I know I have read your routines before, but I thought it would be great to have you update your favorite one and link it here.

Oh, sorry

Actually the principles are what should be considered more then finite routines.

That’s what I’m trying to accomplish here. If what you do fits the principle then you’ve got it. Routines need to be developed around an individuals life and circumstances.

I hope you don’t think that I’m just putting you off. I just don’t think that specific do this or do that makes for a successful outcome. If I had my way I would do more hanging time in a day, like two sets in the morning and two in the evening with an ADS between. I don’t have that kind of time but that’s what I would do if I had the ideal time available. I don’t have that and most people don’t so, I’d rather see you and everyone else figure the routine that works for them.

What do you guys think about doing mini-jelq sessions throughout the day with stretching? I’ve been thinking about doing little 2-5 minute routines 2-4x a day. Like, I would take a piss but before doing so I would stretch a little to help warm things up and then do about 10-20 dry jelqs. I normally do only 100 jelqs during my normal exercise time. But if I spaced this out throughout the day I would be building a day in which my dick is always maintaining some plump size…while I watch out for any negative PI’s that may take effect. Maybe once a week I would do my normal routine of 100 jelqs with complete warm up and warm down. Days off would be any day that I feel a negative PI kicking in.

Your thoughts?

Can someone tell me something? So I should be stretching probably 5 days a week and then taking a 2 day break if I want gains? I don’t have an ADS. I do manual stretching and jelqing. Monty is it OK for me to manual stretch for an hour or two? I am a “newbie” and have been PEing on and off for 6 months.

If it fits the newbie guidlines your probably OK. They are important for proper conditioning.

Monty,

Do you think your methodology can be applied effectively with Wantsmore stretches and ADS?

I have always wanted to run a cycle of your approach (one of these days) but never bought or used a BIB ( I believe thats what you use) and the vacuum stretcher I made really will cause too much lymph for any significant weight or time.

If Wantsmore fit the bill, it would be very do-able.

I love Wantsmore’s stretches!

The problem with them for me is they are too effective. I found that they tended to build girth rather quickly and frankly I have had enough girth for quite a while now so I avoid girth exercises. If a guy wants to build girth at the same time he’s trying to build length I think they are wonderful exercises. I tend to believe after saying this that the girth build up might get out of control and hamper length gains. A guy needs to be aware of this and watch closely his progress on both fronts (girth and length). Those exercises are some of the most intense that I have ever ran into. I’ve got to hand it to Wantsmore they really work.

This is a great thread for me to post to. We have some knowledgable people who have made some real gains. I am at a point where I am getting a little discouraged. My basic routine is this: Jelq and stretch for about 15 to 20 minutes. 2 days on and 1 off. Then I use an ADS/ADH as much as possible, about 8 hrs a day 5 days a week. The difference is that I use monkey bars heavy hanger vac. The nice thing about this is that I can hang more weight than a typical ADS. Where most people get about 1 to 2 pounds from their ADS, I use about 5. And I can wear it all day.

However, I am not gaining. I am wondering if I should increase my stretch time and maybe decrease the weight from my ADS? I have been at it for a little more than two months with this combo. I do feel like my dick wants to retract. So is this a sign that I am over training, or a sign that gains are right around the corner? Any help would be very appreciated!

dlm4

I think the problem is your upside down. Looks like your ADS at 5lbs could very well be more stress then your stretches. That nullifies your stretches to a great extent. If you were doing heavy hanging of 10lbs and the following them with 5 lbs of ADS, now your talking. I think you’ve probably plateaued and need to take a break for a while then come back in with something greater then your ADS weight as your daily routine OR do a decon then start with your stretches and use a very light weight for your ADS

but, and this is a big but, if your not getting any gains now, your going to have to come back after a decon with more then you left off with now. I think your probably going to have to bump your hanging weight up significantly to see anything happen on the gains front.

You can approach this in a couple ways but my guess is your going to have to breakup your ligs to get them to move again for you, but I wouldn’t do that until a decon has gone by.

Dlm4,

When we feel it wants to retract - give it a rest period and then hit as hard. The rest period may be two days, and it may be two weeks. But if you do it right, it will get things moving again. Having a good diet, and either being in or getting in good physical conditioning doesn’t hurt anything.