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Marinera would make a superb politician. Did you notice how he skirted the question to lay out a pragmatic routine? Instead of answering he threw the problem or answer to someone else. He’s good.
Sorry Thunder, it just gets old but I guess it does create interest for some. I just can’t find anything clear.
I guess I need to shut-up again.
09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5
11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP
Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights
Marinera is just pimping in his own way. Appearing to be negative, but if we go into the ‘hole’ he allowed, we’ll end up bigger anyway..
I like it.
9.0BPEL+ for all of you, blessed from me.
:buttrock:
09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5
11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP
Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights
Look, fellas. All I want is a layman’s terms routine for how I may be able to apply this jerk off’s theory.
I have enough time.. crap.. I’ll try it? Guinea pig? OK..
Is marinera saying that I should hang low weights/long time.. high weights/ads long time/ low weights/ads short time.. what?
The arguing for the sake of arguing science nonsense is not cutting it for me.
Until then I’m hanging high weights and ADSing.. i’ll post my end of month measurements!
Damn!
~L
"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."
5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"
1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL
Friends, looks, things are there.
I’m summarizing the knowledge about CT that could be pertinent to PE; if you read carefully, you could understand what could be the best approach (always remembering my “disclaimers”, so to say).
I will translate (or simplify) this principles in “the layman terms”, or PE routine, but if you don’t understand how came there, it would be pretty unuseful, agree?
……………….So, what to do? What this “6-8 hours elastic deformation plateau” could suggest us? Anyone?
I’m answering to my question, since you are lazy guys.
Resume:
wearing an ADS/extender at light tension, for many minutes continuously, will “relax” your connective tissue, lowering the resistance that CT is opposing to deformation.
It means that a lighter tension is now needed to cause micro-tears. Micro-tears are required to get permanent elongation.
So, the right way to use an ADS/extender is before using high loads, not after. It wasn’t so hard to get, right?
Look, fellas. All I want is a layman’s terms routine for how I may be able to apply this jerk off’s theory.I have enough time.. crap.. I’ll try it? Guinea pig? OK..
Is marinera saying that I should hang low weights/long time.. high weights/ads long time/ low weights/ads short time.. what?
The arguing for the sake of arguing science nonsense is not cutting it for me.
Until then I’m hanging high weights and ADSing.. i’ll post my end of month measurements!
Damn!
~L
Take a month off lost.
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Marinera would make a superb politician. Did you notice how he skirted the question to lay out a pragmatic routine? Instead of answering he threw the problem or answer to someone else. He’s good.Sorry Thunder, it just gets old but I guess it does create interest for some. I just can’t find anything clear.
I guess I need to shut-up again.
Maybe if you dropped the attitude things might clear up?
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Now, let’s see another condensed pratical “case” :
Even going for length I need rest days. When I come at a routine “cold” it takes me about five days to really soften things up and get fatigue going. But, my unit tends to stay quite sore for a few days (naturally slow healer).No matter how many times I’ve tried training through the soreness, I still wear my unit out and have overtraining scares. A few of these times, my ligs have been so fatigued and so stretched that I have definitely pulled directly on the dorsal nerve/vein bundle since it was the only tissue left to fatigue. Trust me, you really don’t want to do that. Oddly enough, the length I gained from these sessions cemented itself immediately…but I was way to scared to train further and wind up with a permanently limp penis.
Antistar - Are there any proofs that rest days are good for PEing?
How that fit whit what we have said? I think : if you have read this whole thread, you have understood. The Antistar’ approach lead mostly to micro-tears. Days-off to recover, immediately cemented results. But, as he suggest, high risks of injuries, and (I bet) future gains way much harder to come.
Now, let’s see another condensed pratical “case” :Antistar - Are there any proofs that rest days are good for PEing?
How that fit whit what we have said? I think : if you have read this whole thread, you have understood. The Antistar’ approach lead mostly to micro-tears. Days-off to recover, immediately cemented results. But, as he suggest, high risks of injuries, and (I bet) future gains way much harder to come.
Speculation
09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5
11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP
Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights
Speculation
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Let me just emphasize clearly that all of my gains have come after long deconditioning breaks (90 days++) and I haven’t been able to budge my penis after those quick gains no matter what the hell I’ve tried.………….
Mem’s Momentous Rapid Gain Mechanism
So, my speculation was demonstrated quite right.
Then, just remains this speculation "I think you have understood what I wrote before in this thread.". It seem that I’m wrong about that.
I find interesting to examine this “case” at the light of what has been said since now:
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Winter of 2000:
19 years old. I was skeptical about the idea that the penis can’t grow and got the idea to just pull on my penis every day. At this time, I was pretty much right on the average: 15cm nbpel (+-5 7/8”) and I estimate that my eg was around 5,25”.I started a routine:
morning: 150 slow kegels
night: 75 stretch-kegels
5min stretching below parallel to the floor
5min stretching parallel to the floor
5 min stretching above parallel to the floor
The stretches were done pulling as hard as I could
Then I rubbed the head of my penis for sometime to try to desensitize itResults:
Amazing gains and improvement:
in about 5-6 week I gained 3cm (1 1/8”) as well as some girth (could not fit in the regular condoms anymore).
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Broke up with, this girlfriend, got a few other ones and then I got into a “sex slump”. No girlfriend and no sex for 2 years! I kind of lost my motivation for PE during these 2 years. I started taking Propecia and drinking massive doses of coffee (8-10 cups everyday).Then I got a new girlfriend and things were bad: my penis had shrunk (back at 16 cm el) and I started to have erection problems and lost all control over my ejaculation. I was only 22 at the time. But this is another story…
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I found Thunder’splace. Avocet helped me big time with my erections issues (support is the most important thing!). I started jelqing, stopped Propecia and stopped coffee. I was never able to maintain an erection without masturbating so my jelqs were done flaccid.Routine:
morning: 1 hour jelqing.I did that for about a year. Got my length back to 18 cm el. and got some girth too.
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Time passed (about 15 months doing 1 hour of jelqs in the morning) …..Then I added stretches to my routine:
Morning: 1hour flaccid jelqing
night:
75 stretch-kegels
5min stretching below parallel to the floor
5min stretching parallel to the floor
5 min stretching above parallel to the floorI gained 1cm el in about 2 weeks and then did not gain anymore. That made me 19 cm (7.5”)nbpel X 15 cm (6”)eg. This was in November 2005.
Since then, I have tried pretty much every PE method: pumping, clamping, edging and vaccu-hanging. I’ve gained nothing. I’ve had some inconsistent measurements that were close to 7.75” el but they never stuck around.
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The first things to note, is that powpow was very young when started PE. We have seen that CT become less deformable and more subject to rupture when getting older.
This could explain why he had fast gains: 3 cm (about 5/4”) in six weeks, and why those gains were lost when stopped stretching: the stretches (full forces) caused micro-tears, so permanent gains, and caused also “elastic damped deformation”: these last gains were not permanent, and disappeared. We have also to note that he started using Propecia, this could play some role in his lost.
Gains where re-gained with sole jelqs: this suggest that the human tissues, as firegoat explained somewhere, have some “memory”, and can re-gain easily what was lost.
After that, stretches (high load, right?) added 2 cm to his length in short time. This are micro-tears gains or elastic gains? I can’t find an answer here. I think the hard work he made, attempting to hit both “elastic deformation” and “micro-tears” deformation in a short amount of time, gavehim a CT highly resistant to both form of adaptations.
That’s why, nowadays, it’s hard for him to get any additional gains. Luckily, powpow is already big.
Marinera,
So would doing bed fowfers be adequate when it comes to your long tension/low load theory??
Marinera,So would doing bed fowfers be adequate when it comes to your long tension/low load theory??
Yes, if you are speaking of proper fowfers : slightly pulling the penis without forcing too much, and using your body-weight to keep it extended for 30+ minutes.
Funny, it seems that you’ve drawn a different conclusion from the studies you’ve referenced than those in the field of physical therapy regarding elongation of connective tissue.
In other words, according to the articles you’ve posted physical therapists utilize manual techniques that apply tension for only a few moments and not six to eight hours to elongate connective tissue.
If light weight/long time was the Holy Grail for elongating connective tissue then why do you think it’s not utilized in the field of physical therapy?
Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)
Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)