Maximum Gains

Despite the title, this isn’t a thread about the maximum theoretical gains that a person can make; although that would be an interesting question as well.

This thread attempts to further this infant-science by determining the maximum gains (an average) a PEer is likely to see based on the PE efforts of many PEers before him.

I know that many PEers may start PE wishing to gain (for example) 3” of length and 1.5” of girth, but how many actually realize those gains? PE procrastination, depression and discouragement are all forces vying against these potential gains. It’s similar to a person starting a work-out routine at the gym. Only a portion of those that start will continue attending for any number of reasons.

This question will undoubtably have a much larger signifigance when PE hits the mainstream. As you may know, there apparently is a PE article written about DLD in an upcoming issue of GQ and it’s likely only a matter of time before we start seeing penis hangers, doctor assisted programs and other lagitimate products/services flooding the mainstream market.

So what do you think the maximum gains are? Why? What factors limit gains?

Any insight will be very useful for furthering the science known as PE.

There’s plenty of bodybuilding magazine interviews with top athletes, yet 90% of Americans are dumpy pieces of shit.

The only limiting factors for gains are lack of work. Or overworking an exercise that isn’t yeilding results. Like in bodybuilding, if an exercise wasn’t doing the trick, it was dropped immediately.

The upside to PE going “mainstream” is that it most likely WON’T, number 1, and number 2… maybe there will be a flood of new products that can aid our efforts, so it really could be a good thing. All of us here are already ahead of the game anyway.

Sites such as this one should definitely get at least a fuckin’ plug and the props for helping start the “movement” and keeping it alive. There could be a lot of dough to be made, and if you ask me, sites like Thunder’s should get a fuckin’ cut of the action.

Prickle,

I totally agree with you and anticipate that even if PE goes mainstream there will be only a percentage of those that actaully achieve their goals. Like you said 90% of americans are out of shape, though many of them want to get into shape but are unable to. The question is why? That’s my very point. My hope is that if we can investigate the limiting factors to gains, we can help newcomers avoid said factors and help those currently struggling.

Yeah, Thunder is one of the first to organize a large PE group successfully (to the best of my knowledge). It would be nearly impossible for him not to make money in some form. He’s already building a brand with T-Shirts. In the game of marketing, being first is a MAJOR advantage. Hopefully he continues to build this brand and is later rewarded for all his hard work.

His largest competetior (it would seem) is DLD’s Matter Of Size. DLD is totally kicking butt and attacking this expanding market very efficiently. If the rumors are true, DLD is getting an article in GQ magazine! How’s that for publicity; credibility for fucking free!

Thunder seems to be doing ok, though. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s already getting a cut of the Bib hanger sales, as the threads have been sticky for some time, there’s a link on the bottom of this site and the Bib hanger site links to back thunders.

But enough rambling.. What could be other limiting factors?

Hey tug,

The T-Shirt deal is dead unless the dude shows back up. Might even be dead then too.

The GQ article is about PE I believe, not dld exclusively. The tone/scope of that article is yet to be seen. I was in contact with the writer and did help set up a few interviews.

I help Bigger out with his website. The forum doesn’t get a per hanger cut as you say. Bigger does donate to the forum, as do many others. I keep a copy of his site available even when he is out of production to help out the guys that have hangers already. The link to his site has been there from just about the beginning of the forum and would be there whether I was doing his website or not. I put the link there quite awhile before I started helping him with his site.

The reason why most people give up on their workout regimens has its roots in the psychology field.

According to Psychologists it takes a normal person about 20 - 25 days to get used to a new routine, wether it is weight lifting, going to the gym or doing PE. 95% are drop-outs within the first few days, therefore never really establishing a routine and sticking with it. It has many factors and outside influences such as lack of time, lack of willingness, lazyness, family matters, work related issues and so forth.

The only thing that would make it work is a change in lifestyle, honest effort and support from others. It’s more fun, for example, to go to a gym with a friend then alone, right. I understand doing PE with a friend is not really the ideal idea, since there’s a lot of privacy involved, but that’s what this board is for.

We all should be grateful to Thunder for having us here.

Thunder,

Thanks for setting the story straight. I’m glad that you got a little input in the article. Really, brother, I hope you see some big cash for all your hard work.

Hmmm… If I get some cash together, I may spearhead the whole T-shirt thing, though I’d probably mostly specialize in iron-ons. Profits would be shared with the logo/image designers. If this happens, I would like you to be a part of it. Let me sleep on it.

Uncut4Big,

Great insight. I agree that the reasons behind workouts (or lack thereof) are psychological. I guess I’m curious about the most common reasons. Is procrastination one of them? What about depression or privacy?

It’s great that we have such a large group. We can begin to answer or at least better understand some of these questions.

My personal limiting factor is procrastination, but I battle to keep PEing and I have been good so far. The gains I got help out tremendously.

And yeah, PE with a friend :D . Getting caught by your mother is one thing, but getting caught in a dual-tug technique with a friend (leaning back grabbing each others dicks), is whole different ball of melted down dildo wax…..

Hey tug,

If you do get a T shirt deal going, keep it to yourself, or you and any partners you may have. Probably be a lot smarter to keep the shirts/slogans “PE centered” also. In other words don’t make them specific to Thunder’s Place.

Sure thing. I was planning to keep the logos and stuff PE centred… great minds….

Anyway, I’m not even sure I’m going to do this yet as any venture takes a wee bit o’ planing if it hopes to be successful. Right now, it’s just the after-odour of a brain fart.

Despite the fact that I have yet to follow through on my promise of a few $$$ to the THUNDER FUND, I am sure that if ever “credit” is passed around and the history of PE is written, this site will feature VERY prominently.

I have made the mistake in the past of “investing” in my dick (pay sites - more the fool I - except that it kept my search and interest high … after all, what’s a few bucks anyway???) and have gotten burned by what I later learned was FREE stuff on the web. If I had ONLY looked at YAHELL groups first!!!

Nevertheless, just from the example of DLD, it would seem that there is no theoretical “limit” to penis growth. I suppose that continued PE will bring continued growth - however: try this thought on for “size…”

Just like Economics demonstrates, the LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS must set in; to wit - that as size increases, due to the hydraulic nature of the equipment, and the eventual decline of pumping efficiency in the cardiovascular system, the gains might end up purely cosmetic, and have no function except for bladder draining.

In fact, there might also be a difficulty as C-V sytem depression looms, in that peripheral vascular strength may fail, and in a effort to conserve oxygenation, that growth area may suffer some oxygen deprivation, and cellular death can set in. Would it not be the height of irony to have invested YEARS in obtaining a PIECE that would make a bull look twice, only to have vascular disease cause … oh - the thought is too horrid to consider!!!

I suppose that there is an “upper end” to PE gains, but until someone gets there, the limit is only as far as your arms can stretch … or your mind can see …

SHALOM
wan2Bbig/Alex

Diminishing returns have been discussed here before.

I believe that the reason many people quit PE before realizing the desired gains, and one of the reasons it will never truly make it mainstream, is that people expect too much too soon. Then, when their experiences fall well short of ridiculous claims, they feel it isn’t working and give it up.

As far as physical reasons go, I think it comes down to how (I know this isn’t the correct word) “malleable” your connective tissues are and your ability to squeeze and pull on your dick.

Taz

Har har… Isn’t ‘malleable’ the ability for something to be hammered flat! I know what you mean though, and excellent insight. You should write more often.

Yes, expectations can be a bitch. People seem to want instant gratification and failure to notice any difference after 3 days of intense work can be discouraging to the point of forfeit.

I’ve been going through the PE database and it seems that many members gain around 1” and either stop posting or stop gaining. I think part of the reason for stopping is becoming content *enough* with the current gains to warrant further PE. Perhaps this is human nature: the same reason why there are fewer businesses than people (not that an economy could handle it, mind you); few will see their vision through to completion.

Very interesting stuff.

Hello, all, and cred to the starter of thread, Tug.I’m a noob to this thing, and was a member of this site forum for about a year, and only since buying my own PC am I able to take advantage of this great community. You guys are SMART, and that helps an intellectual-not-really-a-jock like me give credibility to stuff like this. Good questions always prompt good answers, and like John Gaeta (SFX coordinator for “The Matrix”) said about asking the right question at the right time, this site has produced some good answers indeed. I’ve especially taken note of the influence of The Law of Diminishing Returns and the overestimation of expectation.These are real elements of the universe, both outside and inside the PEer. Thanks for helping me avoid the meltdown that I’m sure would’ve come from me expecting to gain 2” in BPEL in 4 months..

Keep up the ‘philo sophia’.

ColdFusion

That is true in many ways. For example I am a trader(stocks, currencies)…I have been trading for more than 10 years…Guess what? 90% of people lost money on the market…and this is when all major rules are known to all! You can build a wining system..But the problem is that people who are given such system can not stick to it so it does not work! I guess the same would be with PE…only the most determined can achieve their goals.

As to the limits…I also think it is only a matter of MIND. Look at it this way…If you PE and in MAKES your penis bigger what does it mean? It means only one thing:

PENIS CAN GROW

If you can earn money once…you can earn it again….it is only up to you. There is no ‘upper limit’

I can not see any REAL obstacle in making penis bigger and bigger….any ‘real’. Because there are few minor problems in my opinion:

1.PHYSICAL OBSTACLE: If we PE to much our dick gets used to it. Each next time we need more force in order to induce the same effect…as a result our gains are getting smaller and smaller and at one point they stop. This is due to the fact that penis(just like body in bodybuilding) not only needs exercises but also a rest. Factor of rest is very unique and each of us needs different amount of it.

2.MENTAL OBSTACLE: If you believe that penis can not grow it will not grow. If you believe that upper limit is 2” this will be your upper limit. If you are happy with your sex life and your women you will not find need and motivation for further gains(this is what happens to most of guys that went from ‘small’ to ‘big’). If you are unhappy you will find motivation for further gains(this is what happens to small guys). If you have ‘deeper anxiety problem’ which you believe can be solved only by making your dick bigger you will PE forever even if it does not bring any gains(these are ‘big guys’ who refuse to take any decon breaks….see ‘physical obstacle’ for why they do not see gains)

To summarize. I do not see any ‘real’ reason for which penis should stop growing at ‘this’(and not other) point. It stops growing for one of those two reasons….and that is fine I think. If you can learn one language I do not see a reason why you can not lear another one and then another one and…it is only a matter of what you believe in and your motivation…Do I need to know another language?How it can make my life better?(metaphor)

Damn. I miss Prickle.