Hey wadzilla, great thread! First, I must say that I do agree with you that the penis enlarges by plastic deformation of the connective tissues. I have been researching collagen for a few weeks not, and physical therapy research has shed light on these issues for me. Nevertheless, the penis is made up of 50% connective tissue, and 50% smooth muscles, which is completely different from skeletal muscle (as you know). This smooth muscles does not hypertrophy. I have to do more research, but I believe that it grows by creating micro-tears in it, which are then filled in with new tissue, and the result is longer smooth muscle tissue. This is not hypertrophy.
Now, back the connective tissue. Plastic deformation is also used in engineering mechanics to describe a material that has been permanently deformed. It is used in bio-mechanics (the mechanics of living tissues) to describe the same outcome, but what occurs in the molecules of each is different. In metal, micro-tears occur in the molecules, and that is it. Little micro gaps then exist which makes the total length of the metal longer. In connective tissue, the collagen fibers or fibrils experience micro-trauma, or micro tears. Cross linkages also break during plastic deformation. Now is where things get different. After the micro-trauma is induced, the healing cycle of Inflammation, Proliferation, and Remodelling begins. Some scar tissue is also created, but to the extent of scar tissue can be controlled to some extent (well, in physical therapy it is possible). After, the whole healing process is completed, the micro-tears no longer exist. They have been filled in by new collagen, type I, but mostly type III, along with some scar tissue. So, in essence you have created new tissue, but the total end result is PLASTIC DEFORMATION of the connective tissue AS A WHOLE. Plastic deformation of living tissue is therefore interchangeable with the words “permanent elongation”. Some people are thrown off by the fact that in non-living materials molecules are deformed, and that is it, end of story for the non-living materials.
Yes, one does have to stretch beyond the elastic range and into the plastic range to cause plastic deformation of connective tissue.
Originally Posted by wadzilla
I don’t believe that elasticity can be “restored.” In the case of the guy with megalophallus - or the guy who gains then loses 300 lbs, and has huge aprons of skin dangling around him (which can only be surgically removed) - plastic deformation is not a temporary state, like hypertrophy.
But even IF we could “restore” elasticity, what would happen? The penis would probably “snap back to normal” (i.e., you’d lose your gains). So, plastic deformation - for us - is not a “bad” thing. It is, in fact, what we strive for. The problem is, of course, that we have only so much elasticity to use up…and that’s that.
It will not snap back to normal after plastic deformation, but cross linkages in connective tissue can heal improperly. Also, an excessive amount of scar tissue shortens connective tissue.
I believe that some elastic characteristics will remain, but the actual deformation takes place in the non-elastic parts of the tissue. In the end, a higher percent of your penis will be non-elastic due to where the actual deformations occurred, you enlarged in areas that were non-elastic to begin with. This overall would make the penis less elastic because of a shift in the ratio of elastic areas to stiffer areas. Elasticity occurs by straightening of the “crimps” in collagen bundles. They may very well lose some of their ability to spring back into a “crimped” position after extreme changes have taken place. Some elasticity occurs from the connective tissue retaining fluid. Under stress this fluid is slowly expelled into the surrounding tissues, which results in creep. It is highly likely that the connective tissue will always behave this way.
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To continue hanging, for example, after you’ve exhausted all elasticity would probably result in a long, useless, damaged “pisspipe” (but that would take so many years of insane tenacity).
If it is true that the Indian Sadhus lengthen their penises up to 18”, to the point which they no longer become erect, then this is evidence that PE can be taken too far.
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So if this is true, why do I tout “Deconditioning Breaks”?
Because, these breaks help prepare the penis for another round of growth - only when you have NOT used up all of your elasticity. Remember, gains don’t progress steadily until some point where everything slams to a halt. As you use up elasticity, further deformation becomes more difficult. These breaks don’t actually “add” elasticity, they just loosen up the tissues enough for you to “go another inning.”
Well, after 3 weeks of applying a tensile force to connective tissue, the collagen fibrils begin to line up the in most effective manner in order to resist further sub-failure damage (micro-trauma which results in plastic deformation). The body always adapts in order to protect itself. Micro tears are an early sacrifice that the body gives in order the save all of the tissue as a whole from tearing. Then after repeated exposure to tensile forces, it attempts to even prevent the micro-tears from occurring.
The second thing that makes the tissue tougher is the scar tissue that has been created. It is less elastic but has a lower failure point. So, it is said to be tougher, but not stronger. After the Remodelling phase has completely ended, which may take up 6 - 12 months, the scar tissue may be minimal. I’m not sure about this. Research says that new collagen is placed in the area, but I’m not sure that things return to a before injury state. So, I’m not sure if we can “re microtear” that same spot, or if we have to move on to new target areas. By spots and areas, I’m referring to distances micrometers apart……not very long distances. Think on the cellular and molecular level. I believe that this is why fulcrum stretches/hanging is effective. By using the fulcrum technique, one is able to target a new area and focus the force in that area to create micro-tears. This should be a last resort, or used in an effort to gain that last inch or so, in my opinion. You are then using your reserves.
If the scar tissue returns to near pre-PE conditions, you may very well be able to induce micro-tears in that same spot. I do not know if this will be possible or not, but I will try to keep an eye for any information pertaining to this.
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* - P.S., I've come to believe that this is a far more accurate model of how PE “works” than the bodybuilding-type model that I'd subscribed to as a newbie. Even though my penis is double the volumetric size that it used to be, I didn't really “build” it, I deformed it…through the repeated application of both externally- and internally-invoked tractile forces.
I totally agree. By doing PE, we are not causing muscular hypertrophy. We are causing micro-trauma to cells. The fluid of the torn cell then spills out into the extracellular matrix and signals to the body that the healing process needs to begin. This is certainly what occurs in connective tissue. I need to research smooth muscle, arteries, veins, and skin to make a decision on those parts of the penis. If I had to put money on it, it’s all micro-tears. The difference will be the amount of force it takes to cause the tears in each one. Some will tear at lower forces, and some will heal slower or faster.
You know, I believed that PE occurred by cell mitosis for the longest time. This is true to a slight extent, but before new replacement cells are called in, some original cells must stretch beyond their limit and tear. Then the body produces the same size cells according to your DNA. Here’s the catch———- the area that previously required one cell may now require two of the same size cells in order to span the distance. Ah, but that Darn scar tissue……it is in there somewheres, no doubt affecting elasticity.
From the information that I’ve come across, the plastic range begins at about 3%. That is in human connective tissues. I’ve written a thread with information about a rat MCL reaching its yield point at 5.14%, but that same article showed in electron microscopes that cellular damage began at about a 2.5% strain.
Yes, I do have links for this information that I am speaking about. All of this was in my own words, so I’m not posting any right now. Also, it’s late and I have to get to work tomorrow. Last, I’m still putting information together for a thorough explanation in the future.