Originally Posted by Kojack10
Wadzilla, or any others with opinions, where are you guys?I hope that my long post was not a waste of time. Yes, it is too long, but the scientific backing is there.
Kojack, that was a great post. You filled in a lot of the details relating to the assertions that I’d made, highlighting the physiological processes involved. I also think it clearly supports the notion of a limited amount of plasticity (i.e., “growth”) that is ultimately possible - unlike the wild claims by some posters that limits are all “mental.” No, they’re not -they’re physiological.
The only thing I’m not sure about is the notion of “scar tissue.” While I agree that we probably don’t “re-gain” in the exact same spots, I’m not sure that scar tissue fills in the gaps. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t know what scar tissue inside the penis would look or feel like (as opposed to scarring in other parts of the body) due to the unique composition of the penis, but I certainly haven’t noticed anything with my hand or eye.
Could scar tissue be a short-term occurrence, later replaced almost fully by collagen? I’m not the guy to provide the answer to that.
Furthermore, if our penis becomes “weaker” while growing larger, how would this weakening manifest itself? Is this purely theoretical or on a microscopic level? For one thing is certain: my erections are harder than ever - despite all of the gains I’ve made.
A few more thoughts on the tunica:
(1) The tunica has an ingenious design - a fibrous sheath that is very soft & pliable, during flaccidity. But as the spongy inner tissues (CC/CS) swell during erection, they crowd against the tunica, which becomes more resistant as the internal pressure increases - until an erection can be impressively rigid.
(2) All tissues of the penis have some level of elasticity - or else your flaccid size would be identical (or nearly) to your erect size. But in relation to the CC/CS, the tunica is far less elastic. If we had only the CC/CS to overcome, gains would be far easier. But the more we “pump up” those tissues, with PE, the more resistant the tunica proportionately becomes [in the short term] - until it cannot expand any further (that’s why I’ve long maintained that you cannot achieve an erection beyond 100% - even with chemicals or pumps). If the latter does seem to increase your erections, then I suspect that you were not previously attaining 100% levels on your own.
* - This is the main reason behind the criticism against erect jelqing - or extreme PE, such as multiple clamps, squeezing while clamping, etc. You cannot sustain any worthwhile gains from erect PE - because you CANNOT FORCE the tunica to grow. You can only injure the tunica that way. My best gains occurred from jelqing at 75-85% levels. Why? For the reason that because you are NOT maxed out, the tunica is NOT at maximum resistance; instead, you achieve a sort of “rolling” resistance at different points, momentarily, along the length of your penis. This allows PE to “work its magic” without provoking the tunica to put up maximum resistance.
(3) I believe that the tunica can be coaxed to grow by the gradually increasing low-level pressure against it as the CC/CS is growing. Notice how a small weight in the center of a wooden shelf can, over time, drastically warp the board. But you cannot “instantly” bend that board; it would only break.
In other words, I don’t believe that we can directly enlarge the tunica. But we can directly enlarge the CC/CS, which then indirectly stretches the tunica - very slowly - as the inner tissues grow. [I do believe that extensive hot wraps could momentarily make the tunica more pliable, which would result in a better “pump” from your workout; and this could amplify your gains by getting a little “cheat” on the normal resistance of the tunica].
* - Point #3 might be an argument as to why maintaining post-workout expansion (via velcro wrap, etc.) may assist gains. As our soft inner tissues slowly grow, I suspect the forces against the flaccid tunica might represent that small weight warping the sturdy 2 x 4.