Medical Verification

Why does the penis start growing?

Why does it stop? And can it be restarted?

If we knew the answers to those questions, we could be potentially much more effective at PE. I’ve always heard that it was androgen receptors in the penis were related to its growth and ultimately, its’ growth cessation. Now I’m seeing links that suggest that there’s more to it than that.

The effect of testosterone on androgen receptors and human penile growth - PubMed
The effect of testosterone on androgen receptors and human penile growth.

From that article:
"These experiments support the hypothesis that penile growth cessation is mediated by mechanisms other than down regulation of the androgen receptor. Furthermore, these data support the hypothesis that early administration of androgen to prepubertal male individuals does not result in a shorter phallus in adulthood."

That article was from 1997; one would hope that there has been research since then to figure out just what does control human penile growth.

Thanks for the link Lampwick.

I will take a while to study all that with the appropriate think. But as you say it seems strange that so little coverage has been given to the subject.

There are other organs such as the liver and kidney’s which also stop growing. But the Prostate seems to have a mind of it’s own. Is there any specific reason given for it’s waywardness do you know?.

Perhaps there is a clue buried in there.

Actually, I don’t think it’s strange that so little coverage has been given to the subject. There’s probably been research in proportion to the level of medical interest in the subject. The researchers are most interested in therapeutic applications. They don’t consider growing ‘em bigger than a functional level to be a therapeutic priority.

They didn’t find Viagra because they were looking for treatment for erectile dysfunction; they noticed that as a side effect from their primary reserach and ran with it. And ED is a therapeutic issue.

It wouldn’t surprise me if understanding why the prostate continues to grow after the penis has stopped would help us understand if or how PE could be more effective. It points to a regulating factor that is beyond just androgen levels. Androgen receptors downregulate in the penis, while continuing to be sensitive to androgen in the prostate.

I found another site stating that MITOSIS is responsible for PE, this site is from a Doctor that also performs penile surgery, but also recommends an extender. I think it will be very difficult to find a website that talks about PE that isn’t selling something, but since they perform other sources it seems to be legitimate. This quote is from “http://www.drgiunta.com/penile-stretching.html”

“The Helping Hand Extender applies a traction force of between 600 to 1500 grams (approximately 21 oz. - 53 oz.) of weight across the axis of the penis during continued periods of time. This force, gently extends the cellular structure causing an increase in cellular mitosis and results in cell tissue growth over a period of time.

Clinical Studies indicate that when viewed under a microscope, this gently traction force results in an increase in the total number of cells produced by the body in the area where the force is applied.”

I ran across an interesting post from Sparkyx on 4/10/06 on the “When Growth occurs” thread…

“”Growth” doesn’t occur during PE…plastic deformation is what is occuring. That is stretching of the connective tissues.
Growth…expansion of cells,and/or addition of cells occur afterward.”

Right on Sparky, I TOTALLY agree!!!

Since Sparkyx isn’t a website trying to sell something and is a fellow PE’er this may make some members on the forum believe it more???

Nah, that sparky dude changes his mind a lot. ;)

Congrats on getting away from the huckster’s websites Magnum.

Stick with me long enough, I will argue every side of the issue, then make up a few new sides! :)

LMFAO!!! Thanks Thunder, I’m learing from the master :D

I mean learning, guess spell check didn’t work that time lol…

Learing is good too. :)

I know, heres the Cambridge Dictionary’s definition, so I guess I’m a leerer too!!! :D

Definition
leer
verb [I]
(especially of men) to look at someone in an unpleasant and sexually interested way:
He was always leering at female members of staff.

leer
noun [C]
He gave the women at the bar a drunken leer.

Thunder,
I was about to jump in on that, but you & Lampwick beat me to the punch.

I know that skin grows. That mitosis applies to skin tissues in no way confirms that it applies to the CC/CS, tunica, etc.

And you’re comments about that site - which is nothing but a feeder site - was not an ad hominem attack, but an accurate observation. What I believe is that findings from 2 (or more) studies were juxtaposed in a weak attempt to show a causal connection or relationship where none existed.

Furthermore, magnum, I don’t “preach gospel” about PE. I’ve learned more here than I’ve contributed. And, I’m always willing to adjust my views when new evidence/info suggests that I should (as I said that I earlier believed, loosely, in some type of bodybuilding model to PE).

I do NOT believe, however, that we are “building” dick - such as lifters use hypertrophy to build muscle. Hypertrophy - which cannot even occur with the penis - is temporary; my gains, however, were at least 90% permanent.

The only other “growth” model that you might be referring to is the formation of scar tissue. Like I said, I don’t know what scar tissue would look/feel like in the penis, but my penis has not changed in any peculiar way (either by site, touch or my own sensations of pleasure) - only it’s a lot larger.

Now, I do have scar tissue on other parts of my body, and I hate it. It can be lumpy, different in texture and is, for the most part, numb. Tain’t nothin’ like that plaguing my wang.

Like I said, there may be some “filling in” if “microtears” occur during deformation, but I don’t see this being similar to building new tissue. And it’s nothing like scar tissue that I’ve experienced.

Magnum,
One more point: if there is confirmed scientific proof that stretching the penis “…extends the cellular structure causing an increase in cellular mitosis and results in cell tissue growth over a period of time….clinical Studies indicate that when viewed under a microscope, this gently traction force results in an increase in the total number of cells produced by the body in the area where the force is applied.”

Then why hasn’t the AMA grabbed this & ran with it? Since the AMA doesn’t generally embrace phalloplasty, why haven’t they trumpeted the Helping Hand Extender as a great alternative for patients considering phalloplasty?

I’ve searched high & low for REAL scientific research about the penis, and found little if any (that did not deal with pathological conditions). What so many guys do - including those here - is they grab snippets of this & that, then haphazardly fling together some patchwork quilt of a “theory” based on irrelevant, disjointed data…which has nothing to do with PE. [hint: this is probably because there is no such “scientific research” regarding PE…..since the medical community rejects it out of hand].

More likely, no research has been done BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUNDING, because there is no real money to be made from it. Research generally is driven by the profit motive. No corporation is going to put in millions in research if the ability to patent and profit from it is virtually non-existent.

This is why many holistic health approaches are largely ignored, not because they don’t have potential, but because there is no profit in an approach that can’t be patented.

sparkyx,

I agree that the profit motive is key, particularly when anything would have to receive FDA approval. But, I’m sure you’ve noticed that the medical community has repeatedly dismissed what we do as some type of deluded pipe dream.

Furthermore, the profit motive is legit in a free market system. Most big concerns deal with heart or liver medications, or sleep disorders. And of course the ED meds. There’s also a lot of different drugs for diabetics, as well as the whole line of “feel good” meds (which so many Americans are addicted to).

They obviously don’t think there’s much promise to pursuing this. But it’s certainly not because of some “conspiracy” to compel people to phalloplasty (which the AMA isn’t too keen on anyway). Nor is there any conspiracy to condemn men to “little dickdom.”

The money isn’t really there, nor is there much hope in their minds. Therefore, what we’re left with is usually just a bunch of baloney.

I far more trust the honest help of a good gainer (who seems reputable), than I would a shit-load of psychobabble and other far flung speculations.