Lil,
The Peyronie’s link you provided favors "repetitive trauma" as the cause of Peyronie’s. However, the medical community has numerous theories (see examples below). Infection, trauma, certain medications, collagen abnormalities, etc. are all possible causes and/or contributing factors.
There is a risk of fracture if an erect penis is bent forcefully enough, and fracture can result in a permanently bent dick if not promptly surgically repaired. Bib mentioned a PE’r who ruptured his CC, but that happened when hanging, and IIRC the guy also had a pre-existing problem (maybe Peyronie’s?). When performing any PE exercises it is essential to work into them gradually and monitor your individual response. Hanging, for instance, is safe, but not if you tie on a 300 lb. barbell and chuck it out the window. :)
I haven’t noticed a disproportionate number of injuries reported from erect exercises, nor have I seen a report of them inducing curvature. Maybe we should poll guys who do erect exercises to see what injuries and/or changes in curvature they’ve had?
The action of bending an erect penis puts great stress on a very specific area - it is by far the easiest way to significantly damage the penis. What happens when an area like this is significantly damaged is that plaque forms. This plaque then shrinks and causes a permanent bend in the penis - anything from mild to wild - I've even seen some which bend at 90 degrees. One of the more concerning aspects of this is that sometimes these injuries can be sustained from mishaps during intercourse…
Your premises are that erect bending puts great stress on a specific area, and is also the easiest way to significantly damage the penis. Are you sure these assumptions are correct?
Erect bending doesn’t put stress on a specific area. Hydraulic pressure in the penis helps distribute pressure evenly. Think about what happens when a mostly erect penis is bent toward a horseshoe shape using the other hand to hold the base and lightly support the inside curve. Let’s bend to the left for sake of discussion: the right side is stretched, and the stretch is fairly evenly distributed along the length of the shaft; the left corpora cavernosum is compressed and expands - again the hydraulic pressure and support hand keep the force evenly distributed. I don’t see how this is inherently more dangerous than other advanced PE exercises.
Did you suffer an injury or stall in gains from doing them?
Why should I even consider doing them when the medical community (and even here on the board) has overwhelming evidence that erect bending can cause significant injury. I'm told that having your penis flattened by a steamroller will increase girth and length but I'm not about to try that either!
Where is the overwhelming evidence? I haven’t seen ANY evidence. Though I’ve never paid for a PE program, I understand most sites issue dire warnings against erect exercises. Of course, many also say the same about hanging. These warnings get repeated so often they are eventually taken as fact, yet where is the evidence? It is more difficult for me to attempt to prove a negative than for opponents of erect excercises to offer something to substantiate their claims. So far, it seems the primary objection is that it "sounds dangerous." Where are the data?
Any form of PE is dangerous if done carelessly, and there are also risks even when done "by the book." Pan rolls are a PE exercise where you roll your pecker on a counter (usually using your hand, though some have used rolling pins). It can be a productive exercise, but not if you use a steamroller. :) Just because someone might go overboard doesn’t mean the exercise itself is bad.
While anything is possible, I don’t think trolls conjured up erect bending. I encourage you to read the thread on PE Forums.
BTW, congratulations on being nominated 3 times for best thread of the year. Your Connective Tissue thread is great work!
Thank you. :o
Below are just bits and pieces from sites turned up on the first page or two of a Google search.
A recent study from Aviano, Italy shows that the most likely causes are infection and trauma (1). Men who have had a tube inserted in the bladder by a doctor are 16 times more likely to suffer Peyronie’s disease. Those who had genital trauma are three times as likely. Other associations include burning on urination, high urine uric acid levels seen in gout, and high blood cholesterol and pressure levels (2).
http://www.meth odisthealth.com … gen/peyroni.htm
What causes Peyronie’s disease?
Some researchers believe Peyronie’s disease develops following a trauma that causes bleeding inside the penis. This trauma may explain acute cases of Peyronie’s disease, but does not explain why most cases develop slowly, or what causes the disease after no apparent traumatic event.
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What causes a curved penis?
The cause of Peyronie’s disease is unkown. Some physicians theorize the cause of the curvature may be from trauma to the penis, perhaps if the penis is bent backward during rough sex. The injury causes an inflammation in the tunica, and subsequently leads to scarring.
There are other theories, and some reports suggest that men who take beta-blocking medications for high blood pressure develop Peyronie’s.
This problem, which can make erections painful and intercourse difficult or impossible, may affect up to 1 percent of men, most of them between the ages of 45 and 60. Nearly a third of these men have similar scar tissue in their hands and other parts of their bodies.
What causes Peyronie’s disease?
Experts don’t exactly know. Some men have developed the problem after having prostate surgery — however, the percentage of men in this case is very small. By no means should you avoid having necessary surgery because of concerns about Peyronie’s disease. Some experts speculate that the scarring may result from physical trauma — an injury to the penis from having a catheter inserted for surgery or from sudden, forceful bending during sex. Others suggest that an abnormality in some men’s collagen, a protein that helps build tissue, may lead to the condition.
- Injury
Acute or repetitive trauma (hitting or bending) causes localized bleeding inside the penis. This leads to fibrin deposition (scar tissue) in the tissue space that accumulates after additional trauma. Collagen is also trapped and pathologic fibrosis follows and even the formation of calcium deposits. In addition, with age there is a decrease in the elasticity of collagen fibers.