Not growing? Dainty PE, the curse of being a little too careful.

6 stars!!

At first, I thought “interesting theory.” But considering the number of vets who are all congratulating you, I guess I’ll have to reassess my PE routine. Thanks mem.

Great post, except for this:

I gained over an inch and never jelqed. Maybe most hangers’ gains are actually coming from jelqing, but I see no reason to assume this.

Change is the spice of life. I’m doing bed fowfers right n ow, iv’e done 3 1/2 hour sessions.

Great post!!! I couldn’t agree more. I started PEing in June of 06, by Oct of 06 my newbie gains were over. It was time to make a change.

I took a 2 month decon break and started up fresh in Jan 07. I basically picked up with a lighter version of my old routine thinking I was now unconditioned and ready for some new newbie gains. I measured at the end of Jan - nothing! No gains, nada.

Started Feb with same routine only more intense. By the end of Feb I gained 1/8” EL and regained the 1/4” girth I had lost during the decon break.
By now my routine was getting pretty intense and adding a heaver workload didn’t seem practical.

So, I started March with a renewed vigor. Mixed my routine up and added 30-45 min low hg pumping. It is now 13 days later and the ruler is bouncing between 1/8” and 1/4” in EL gains and a solid 1/8” EG gain.

Moral: mix it up. From now on, my routine gets 1 month to produce results. If it’s delivering I’ll give it another go around.
If not, it’s time to shake things up.

Boy, do I feel stupid now! Do you have any links for that then? :)

Seriously though, good thread. I’ve always said, if you aren’t growing after a month…CHANGE what you are doing.

Its the same for strength training…if you aren’t getting stronger week to week…do you think the strength fairy will come on Christmas eve and bestow upon you a 150 lb increase in your bench overnite?

If gains aren’t coming slow and steady from what you are doing…they aren’t coming! Change up and try again.

I agree memento. I had good newbie gains right off after starting PE in August of 05, then gained something like 1/4 to 1/2 wearing the crap out of an extender which dried up, then I tried your rapid gain V stretch and didn’t gain much there. I went back to manual stretching recently and could actually feel the stretches each workout, and I think it did pay off a little. Now the manual stretches are to the point no matter how hard I pull I don’t feel the stretch and I’m going to try and change it up again. Going to try just jelqing and edging for a while and see if the ligs soften up for more stretching in the future.

Started 5 3/4 nbp/ Aug 06 7.25 nbp/ today just a tad more but haven’t measured since last year.

Great post, I agree with 99% of your statement, except:

If you try new routine/method, a month is too short to justify if a routine is working.

I agree with meiya. It seems to take me at least a month and a half of consistent hanging before I get into the growth phase of my cycle.

Good post Memento.

I fully agree with you - people should be gaining pretty much EVERY month. If a routine doesn’t produce gains in 30 days, then the routine doesn’t work. A smart PE’er will look at what factors might need changing (more rest? Less rest? Work out earlier in the day? Eat healthier foods? Drink more water?) and put it to the test the following month.

The best thing a PE’er can do is figure out what works for them personally. Keep detailed notes on your PEing and what changes and how much you gain. If you hit a sweet spot with gains, look at your situation and determine the factors that are helping you gain, and milk it for all it’s worth. If the gains slow down, have the non-PE factors changed? Try changing them back.

PE has been around for years, it’s time to get smart about our approach. It’s been well established that there is no “one size fits all” routine. Closely monitoring your progress and making adjustments accordingly is how to achieve a goal. I don’t think that anybody’s goal in PE is impossible, even people aiming for 10 inchers (although anything above that is pretty unrealistic!). If you’re not gaining on a monthly basis, CHANGE YOUR ROUTINE.

Let me re-phrase that (I’ve only just read through Memento’s post)

I don’t agree with meiya’s “99% correct” statement— I agree with meiya (and disagree with awwwshucks) in as much as I believe that one month really is too short a period to judge a routine by.

I’ve personally gained approximately one and three quarter inches with a combination of ADS and hanging (I started with ADS and then moved on to hanging) and I don’t jelq. I don’t do any kind of manual exercise.

Also, in the past it’s taken me up to a month and a half of consistent hanging to get to the growth phase of my cycle.

On a side note, following a short decon break I recently returned to hanging (I hang every day and aim for a minimum of twelve sets a day) just over a month and a half ago, so if my gains are consistent with my previous findings I should see gains of about between three eighths and a quarter of an inch over the next two to three (maybe four months).

If I don't see any gains by the end of next month I will be changing my routine.

I prefer to say if you gain steadily every month with a routine (even a little gain), continue the routine, and if you see no gain in a month, then you MAY consider to change the routine. With the new routine, it’s better to give longer time than a month to justify if it’s working for you, as sometime our dick requires a certain amount of time to get used to it.

Like Mr. F, I guess his dick take the first month to adjust to the new routine, after the adjustment period, his dick LOVES the new therapy and grows. ;)

I’m basically yet to see if I can duplicate those previous results. I can’t imagine I’m not going to gain anything over three months how I’m hanging now, but it’s possible. If I can or can’t duplicate the results of my previous cycle, either way I’ll let the forum know.

Great- now I’m ready to beat the shit out of my dick. Thanks M. If you ever quit your day job you would make a great motivational speaker.

Another brilliant post, Mem. I am inspired.