Opinions or even facts?

Sorry you didn’t like my tone of voice fieldmoose. I was directly addressing the issue of “tearing”. Simply put it isn’t an accurate or necessary physical model. On the other stuff. Whatever.

Rakes, your post made sense to me. Except for the idea about nocturnal erections, interesting but quite a “stretch.”

You don’t know baseball :bigwink: but you know this other stuff — whatever it is, PEology?

Well, Ramrod, since my Red Sox won the World Series and my pick for the best pitcher of all time in that debate won the NL Cy Young, I feel my baseball credentials are pretty safe. Ryan? Koufax? Martinez? Nahhhhh. Its Clemens. Hands down.

Thanks for the defense, but it was unnecessary. Not my issues.

It is really amazing the growth of a thread within a 24 hour period. Soon2b9, I read your response this morning and was content enough to believe that there wasn’t much possibility of chemically stimulating mitosis in the cells of the penis. Now that I’ve read rakishly post this afternoon I get the idea that it may be possible again. This is assuming I correctly understood what he was explaining.

If cells respond with mitosis to the death of near by cells then could mitosis be triggered in a localized area by inserting the synthesized remnants of what ever tissue you wished to increase? For example if you wanted more ligament cells you could inject the chemical equivalents of dead ligament cells and just enjoy the sudden growth; the same for the corpus cavernous, the glands or possibly even the foreskin. My understanding maybe flawed so correct me if I’m wrong.

I know that micro-tearing and the resulting healing is the foundation of PE. All that buildup of scar tissue from the rapid healing which rakishly mentioned.

We know mitosis can be induced by the “natural” damage caused by the methods of PE. What is keeping us from artificially inducing mitosis to achieve the same results?

LongEnough,

Well, as I said, I don’t know of any way to stimulate mitosis that would work for sure. I’m also not saying I have all the answers though. I actually thought of the exact same method you mentioned last night when you asked the question, but I arrived at the conclusion that it is obviously not that simple. If it were, the method would already be used to increase muscle mass for bodybuilders, combat muscle deteriorating diseases, etc.

Once again I would stress that the word “tearing” implies that some sort of noticeable trauma is necessary. The reference above show’s that any strain (read in the orthopedic vernacular as: any elastic stretching not necessarily “damaging” or impairing of the physical properties) causes increased necrosis, and therefore scavenging and the four phases of injury repair and remodelling (one of which is cellular proliferation…third one i think). This is why penis masters eventually work If they at least meet the criterion of pre-conditioning used in the study.

I can speculate on what limits us from artifically stimulating the mitosis. I would think at least part of it is an incomplete understanding of the process. If we understood this process well why wouldn’t doctors be injecting something into the joints of NFL players to thicken and strengthen some of their joint capsules and to add flexibility (ie lengthen) others? So far mere exercise manages pretty well. At the macro level we have Yoga as an example of steadily lengthening the tissues of joint capsules both tendons and ligaments. One problem with extreme training of connective tissues is the fact that in ligaments the first type of collagen to form is Type III which is a strong cross-hatched inflexible type. Holds tight then snaps at a failure point rather than stretching in a viscoelastc way which preserves the integrity of the joint in marginal sprains/strains.

In all likelihood there are certain proteins that exist exclusively inside the cell memberanes that when dumped into the intracellular fluid combine with others to form a molecule that tells certain cells to pump prostaglandins etc. to come by and dissolve and scavenge the dead cells. The cellular proliferation phase does not begin until the scavenging phase is complete. So most likely certain by-product proteins of the scavenging in the intracellular fluid trigger the mitosis, but not in the presence of the scavenging molecules which are triggered by the inter-cellular proteins. So the question boils down to can these be synthesized? Are they even known? and , do they only work on adjacent membrane-stretched-but-not-broken-cells or cells that normally reside at the core of a ligament or fibroblast (as with cartilage). Perhaps even if you could stimulate the core fibroblasts to divide, without “lebensraum” from adjacent necrosis the new cells would wither anyway. I don’t know. But for me knowing at the macro-level that stretching works is enough. And also knowing that “tearing” doesn have to happen means that the nylon rope analogy is an incorrect, extreme and dangerous model of the process to have. Perhaps at the level of belief and for no other reason it enhances in a sub-concious way both my motivation and the actual physical process itself. But this isn’t a quantum wierdness thread….Oh, and for people like fieldmoose…This is only my understanding that I contribute for the general good (can’t imagine any other reason to post, I have enough friends) I am often confused and wrong, gasp. So, sorry if you don’t like it or I didn’t put enough sweet white powdery stuff on it. Just change the channel…oops did I just say that. We’re men here right? Have a nice day.

We have a problem here?

Ya we have a problem I am suprised millions (or hundreds) of people PE everyday withought any scientific merit to back up the results. I mean if we could ask some doctors in the field or maybe get some interested possibly a real way to enlarge your unit could be developed and alot of people here will become rich

Thanks. My point exactly. :) Nobody knows, I was hoping for this to turn into a thread of theories, but that didnt last long. Its nice when people present opinions on the matter, rather than present information, like its scientific fact.

I see theories in the posts above fm.

This whole PE is a lot of bro-lore.

So why are you here then?

There was some people contributing information like it was theory and some like it was how it was.

I didn’t see that.

Hmmmm. Because it works, I dont have the answers as to why. I dont think I will either. All we can do is speculate on the mechanisms. I just wish it was a little more scientific, so I could have something to point to. Other than theories, I guess ill have to rely on hand-me-down info.