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PRP (Priapus Shot) Consultation: thoughtfulgold

I agree the shot it not cheap. I wanted it because I believe I was at a point of no more gain. I was looking to fix something to improve my nerve damage I know I had and maybe get my cock back in shape internally. The first shot helped get feeling back into my cock and it helped in the recovery time after pumping. The second shot with amniotic fluid definatly helped with sensitivity and I gained more in girth and a little in length because it helped push past the rut I was in. My ceiling has changed. Now is it for everyone? I could not tell you. Because like he said above everyone is different, what I experience might be different then what you experience.

Thoughtfulgold, I couldn’t agree more, I paid $1200 for the pshot and pump, which is less than you, but I didn’t really see much, if any results from it. I was hoping for more sensitivity, since my dick is fairly desensitized from years of porn and jacking off, but doesn’t seem to be much different than before hand & I’ve gained 1” BPEL from stretching, jelqing and a ton of high pressure bathmate usage, so I didn’t really get any gains in length or girth from this. But I can honestly say that most of my noob gains came from water pumping because I was very diligent with that, not quite as diligent with the stretching/jelqing, so pumping imho, in particular water pumping(because you’re warming your ligs and pumping simultaneously), is a good supplement to a noob PE plan.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
He checked to see if I was diabetic or on heart and blood pressure meds known to kill erections. Metoprolol in particular. Smoking also disqualifies or he will straight up say, if you fall under those conditions that you won’t get the result you want.

No physical examination was done. I imagine if you have physical ailment of the penis and are concerned that he would examine you on request. But I do not know that for fact, as I didn’t request an exam.

I spoke mostly on curvature correction. He is old school enough that he never asked my original size or goals. He merely touched on what the shot does for most of his patients and answered my questions, in particularly emphasizing that a curve can be corrected with the shot.

Could you clarify about the first paragraph - do you mean that untreated diabetes disqualifies? My take is that the meds for diabetes and hypertension are what disqualifies, is that correct?
I gradually weaned myself off those meds with diet and supplements so my guess would be I would qualify, correct?
I can understand checking for diabetes as a large number of men are type2 diabetic without knowing it.

Originally Posted by painr
Could you clarify about the first paragraph - do you mean that untreated diabetes disqualifies? My take is that the meds for diabetes and hypertension are what disqualifies, is that correct?
I gradually weaned myself off those meds with diet and supplements so my guess would be I would qualify, correct?
I can understand checking for diabetes as a large number of men are type2 diabetic without knowing it.

I cannot clarify the first paragraph. Additionally, if you are diabetic, I think you may not be a candidate. Damage to the blood vessels and circulation can be permanent and truly….if you are interested in a PRP shot you need to ask your medical professional these questions for clarity.

I did not pay direct attention to how he phrased it but I’m pretty sure being diabetic, taking the meds or having taken the meds for an extended period disqualify you. That said…please ask whoever you are looking at perform the shot. I cannot tell you for sure.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

I decided to get the shot a few years ago. The doctor I used said he had done about 30 or so treatments at that time and had very good results out of all of them. Went in and got the shots. I can’t remember if it was 3 or 5 shots but I know it was that last one that sort of really hurt. We had talked prior to the procedure about what was going to happen and he said that about 15 to 20 minutes after the last shot I should get an erection or at least partially one which would indicate the procedure was working. Well 20 minutes goes by and I get nothing. He waited another 15 minutes and still nothing. Gave it another 15 minutes or so and still nothing so by that time we decided I should go on home and hopefully it would start kicking in once I started the post procedure treatment.

I did get some bad looking bruising which lasted maybe 5 or 6 days. I bought the pump with the treatment and I used it like he told me to but I’ve had 4 pumps before and none of them were effective at all. He called me back in 2 weeks to followup but I told him that I hadn’t felt anything like what we had discussed the treatment would do for me. An increased feeling of a fluffed up penis and quicker, firmer, longer lasting erections. He told me at that 2 week followup that he hadn’t had anyone in the 30 or so procedures he had performed up until then to not have any positive reactions to it. He said he would check back in 6 weeks to see if I had anything positive to report. He called back and unfortunately I was still the same, nothing really happened. He apologized profusely as he said he thought the procedure would really help me. I apologized for being his first failure, LOL. I used the pump and the other procedures for about another 7 or 8 months before finally giving it up totally.

There is conflicting info regarding this therapy.
From the Edge Peptide Therapy website:

“The P-shot can be especially helpful for men who have lost erectile function due to prostate issues, Peyronie’s disease, side effects from prescription drugs, or other medical conditions such as hypertension or diabetes. The P-shot can help solve your ED symptoms by using your body’s own healing mechanisms to heal and optimize the penile tissue and arteries that supply it with healing and growth factors.”

Originally Posted by painr
There is conflicting info regarding this therapy.
From the Edge Peptide Therapy website:

“The P-shot can be especially helpful for men who have lost erectile function due to prostate issues, Peyronie’s disease, side effects from prescription drugs, or other medical conditions such as hypertension or diabetes. The P-shot can help solve your ED symptoms by using your body’s own healing mechanisms to heal and optimize the penile tissue and arteries that supply it with healing and growth factors.”

Be very careful in what you read regarding this. The general consensus is that nothing about this treatment is verified to change any condition in your penis. This is a discussion I briefly had with my urologist before my ultrasound a week ago.

PRP is still considered experimental by the medical community as a whole for penile uses. There are no documentable gains you can bet on in any arena. So the marketing is that it is a panacea for any element of the penis. My new uro is sharp and he all but laughed at me for getting the shot because it is that unfounded as a consensus.

This marketing is why I bought the shot. I assume such bold claims had to be substantiated in at least one context. As far as I’m concerned they clearly were not.

Given that discrepancy I would say that the qualifications that will make you a good candidate for the treatment or ineligible also likely suffer from similar discrepancies depending on who is selling the service. I read conflicting information from each different vendor that I read about online that purported the greatness of the shot.

Buyer beware and research at one’s own peril, if you have mitigating medical issues that could add any element of danger or risk.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

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When are you going to do this!

Originally Posted by Plucky858
When are you going to do this!

Already done and notated in this thread. No need for an update request. This project is long since been completed and research concluded. Read from the first page of replies on through.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
Alright, so I mentioned in a few entries that I was going to a facility to look into the PRP shot. That event occurred so let me share what the doctor said to the best of my memory and my thoughts on it.

About the facility

First, it’s a medical spa called “The Fountain Rejuvenation Clinic” So it specializes in botox for the face, laser surgery for the face, many cosmetic and other rejuvenation concepts.

Second, it is his spa. He is the only doctor who performs procedures and occasionally has a Nurse Practitioner assist him. The spa is in a swanky neighborhood and has a pair of bathrooms with glass bowl sinks an inch thick. So he caters to the upper tax brackets as a regular thing.

About the doctor

The doctor’s name is Dr. Curtis Birchall. You meet him, and…he doesn’t look 66 years old. Which, for a white guy is a challenge. But the skin on his face is perfect, tight and blemish free. As a guy running a vanity and rejuvenation clinic he makes a good impression as his own advertisement. He will tell you that he doesn’t sell any service he hasn’t tried on himself, which I can believe after talking to him. He also was trained directly by Dr. Charles Runnels, the forerunner of the Priapus shot and has the most Priapus shots performed in the state of Ohio currently as a personal record.

All of that being said, he is a straight talker. Unlike most doctors, he doesn’t spend most of the consultation talking down to you to in order to explain things. I shared my curvature concerns and he tells me that Dr. Charles Runnels, the forerunner of the procedure, gets a lot of his business from curvature correction patients and that he is doing the same exact procedure. Platelet Enriched Plasma shots primarily. For Peyronie’s he is perfecting use of the Gainswave type ultrasound treatment. The ultrasound device is more efficient for plaque disruption than the PRP shot is even though the shot has some merit in that application. The doctor, while well trained and with a lot of medical background, has a streak of DIY in him and wants to figure out Gainswave himself. Just a tidbit I found interesting.

He gave me some advice on a supplement I could take to lower my blood pressure. He spoke on cyclists and why cyclists in this country suffer from such small flaccids and sexual dysfunction. Pressure on the central nerve running on the underside of the crotch from the nose of the bicycle seat. If you’ve ever gotten off a bike and your butt been spitting sparks, it’s because of your bicycle seat shape. Other miscellaneous medical things will come up and he is more than willing to answer pretty random questions you may have. Honestly, pretty accommodating for a doctor.

Also, he has a patient who has agreed to let the doctor use his pictures which he will only show if you ask to see them. It’s a 2 month timelapse and the measurements are done while the patient is pressurized in the pump cylinder. His patient went from 7”Non bone pressed to 7.875” Non Bone Pressed in 2 months. The doctor will say 8” and I didn’t correct him but years of looking at dick pics makes me very particular. In my opinion pumping and measuring leaves a lot of room for error and fudging measurements but I remained silent, as his picture testimonial is optional and really he “sells” the shot based on his own experience.

Also, unlike most facilities he doesn’t want to take more before and after pictures and will tell you he doesn’t take pictures of penises except in that one instance. It was odd, his reaction and body language when explaining that. Like an old school guy who has a bit of the cultural homophobia in him but I couldn’t be sure. Or maybe he just doesn’t like penis pictures.

The Service Itself

To the PRP service itself, the shot is $1800 usually and includes a pump(which can be omitted to save $100 if you bring your own pump). If you agree to a consultation it is $50 and is deducted from the cost of the procedure if you decide to move forward with it. His application of the shot requires immediate use of the pump to disperse the Platelet Enriched Plasma as quickly as possible before it sets up. He will explain that the 60cc of blood used for collection is a medical standard for any PRP shot, whether it is in the knees, shoulders or penis. It doesn’t vary on body size, nor do the injection zones on the penis. Additionally, 60cc are withdrawn from you. The actual net injections are around 10cc after centrifugal separation of the plasma and activation of it. This is where the doctor will mention the quality of his centrifuge for netting the most usable plasma. I wager the location of his facility and the raw volume of business he gets in such an affluent area is why he can afford such equipment but I digress.

His experience with his customers is that 2 months will show most gains with the shot and he doesn’t do a shot again sooner than 6 weeks at the earliest. Bringing your own pump reduces the price of the procedure by $100 and additional shots will be discounted $200 because you’ll know what you’re dealing with and own the pump already.

He recommends using the pump between 10-15HG for 10-15 minutes per day. Once daily if you are only seeking function. Twice daily, spaced out by a large portion if possible, if you are seeking size as well. Oddly enough, he also encourages you to work up to as high a pressure as you can. Several of his patients have pumped at 25HG and many manage to reach 20HG in the regiment. The doctor personally has not gotten to 20HG, too uncomfortable he will admit trying but not reaching it. My experience with high pressure pumping will be key, if pumping at high pressure is important but I didn’t expect it to be quite so relevant. I spoke with him about the pump I built and how it is designed to cycle and he even emphasizes that just holding 10HG isn’t optimum or comfortable. That cycling pressure would be the better method and most do so simply because holding a high pressure for 10 minutes is simply impractical.

I suspect the gains his patients see are highly reliant on this level of pressure and the additional resilience and recovery abilities provided by the shot. His emphasis that the shot is “like a gym membership and you have to go to get the results” is a mantra you’ll hear several times in regard to pumping post treatment daily.

The cost for the procedure comes from his hiring of a nurse just for it. Collection of the blood must be done at an exact rate of 1cc per second. Then, the centrifuge needs to be utilized a certain way to separate the platelets optimally (He will tell you about his Magellan centrifuge and how there are only 8 of his model in the state and he is the only doctor with one in his office for his own use) and most importantly the application of the activated platelets has a 3 minute window. When you add the calcium solution to the platelets to trigger them to start working, they will coagulate and ‘set up’ within 3 minutes and so the injections need to be timely as does the application of vacuum pressure to disperse the plasma as well.

Apply very strong numbing cream. Wait 30 minutes for activation. Collect the blood, separate it, activate it. Two shots at the base. Two shots around the middle of the shaft. One shot behind the glans, underneath (looked like frenulum area where he pointed on the diagram). That is the way it is done. The glans injection is for sensitivity, nerve regeneration as well as size. This is a pointed thing for me as my sensitivity has always been one of my least favorite things and increasing it was the original reason I looked into the shot.

My Verdict?

Honestly, I was pretty well set on getting the shot before. That is the truth. Listening to him talk, I watched his face for most of it. I listened to his inflection. While I was likely going to accept his service regardless to learn more about the PRP shot…I was struck by something odd. Sincerity.

Him explaining his own experience, particularly with the Gainswave experiment he’s run on himself, it just rang true in a way that people selling things generally do not ring true. I believe the guy believes in what he does. It’s hard to describe but the conversation was more organic than a simple sales explanation is all I have to say.

I’ll get a PRP shot in the next couple weeks. They have a special for March where it is $1400 so maybe I’ll book one, or two. I plan on bringing in my Plateau Breaker for the procedure as it is a pumping device with a gauge. The doctor advises he also built an electric pumping device (I did not ask for particulars but I will on my procedure day just to compare notes) for his own use when he did his PRP shots on himself. Just seems like the kind of guy you can ask these questions to.

That’s my visit in a nutshell. Nothing fancy or official. Just my impressions and what I picked up after spending $50 to consult the doctor.

TY for this. Very helpful.
Chris

Sorry if I’m late to the thread!

I remember Dr. Runels being the first physician to ever post on my forum, and I’ve been in contact with Clinics that offer some variation of PRP and GAINSwave since. I’ve seen the evolution of this particular treatment for nearly a decade and I hope I’m qualified to have some insight not afforded to the average online reader.

PRP in particular is an interesting trend in that it offers the individual a relatively safe injection with a potential of wide-ranging benefits. Its “healing” potential on paper makes sense, but in practice is a bit more complicated. Famous NBA legend Kobe Bryant sought out PRP injections in Europe in hopes of combating persisting injuries, but assessing how much of his performance afterwards was a result of the treatment can’t be adequately ascertained (i.e. factors like nutrition, rest, training, etc could have easily accounted for any potential success post-injection). That’s what makes this all “complicated”: PRP doesn’t augment anatomy or alter physiology on a tangible scale, so all other factors can’t be dismissed.

Speaking of wide-ranging benefits, the phallic-sphere of the internet (Thunder’sPlace, PEGym, LPSG, PhalloBoards, etc) caught wind of something we could poke our dicks with and not regret it. It was a concoction made from our own blood and presented no health risks by itself. Benefits ranged from improved erection quality to alleged potential size gains. Just like Kobe Bryant before, assessing how much the injection’s benefit was a direct result of PRP-therapy couldn’t be adequately ascertained because: (1) all the other factors impacting results and (2) the lack of tangible or visual evidence for any outside observer to confirm-or-deny.

That all said, I can only relay my observations through the consumption of tens of thousands of topic-related content (message board posts, emails, PMs, web articles and medical publications). PRP is largely what I consider an “additive” to certain goals or treatments. In it of itself, PRP does not yield any tangible or long-lasting gain. Whatever improvements you see in girth or length is no different than the gains you see in improving erection quality on your own (e.g. improved diet, PE exercises, etc).

What I have seen are the “additive” benefits, typically observed in conjunction with attempts to enlarge the penis, be it PE exercises (e.g. stretching, pumping, jelqing, etc) or some type of medical enhancement. The latter (for those who know me or my alternative alias) is more-or-less my specialty. Now that girth enlargement is readily attainable at a medical level, treatments designed to improve overall results/gains have been investigated, including this PRP trend. In my opinion, its use in being a “healing factor” in collagen-inducing fillers presents the most credible potential for its application in overall size gains. I know of one instance (an unpublished study due to a poor sample size, so either take my word or take it with a grain of salt) where twin males with near-identical endowments were injected with the same volume of filler — except one had PRP added whereas the other did not. The PRP patient saw a tangible, measurable difference in gains. Again, the sample size is deplorably small to consider it strong evidence, but it’s the closest thing to “evidence” I know of pertaining to this specific-type of PRP application. All other phallic applications involving PRP are far & few at best (i.e. this topic alone technically fails to verify or substantiate the claims within, despite my willingness to believe it).

There have also been reports of improved erections and/or sensitivity but long-term results are (almost impossible) to prove. It appears PRP’s benefits are short-term where anecdotal evidence is strongest. Keyword: anecdotal. Without coming off as a cynic, PRP’s benefits for penile application are a crapshoot. That isn’t to say the benefits don’t exist, but I’m of the camp that believes its best use is in conjunction with other therapies —> in other words, stand-alone injections may only be worth it to those seeking alternative means to improve erection quality when traditional methods have failed them.

I appreciate the first-hand experiences shared here, and I think it’s important to continue investigating the topic in order to expand both the sample size and its validity (or lack thereof). I’m much more active now on the message board scene now that I’ve decided to revamp my own forum, so I hope to chime in more often where relevant.

Cheers!


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Maybe not related to PRP shot…
I have been pumping for few years. I gain little result

So, should I try high HG pumping (10-15HG)like what the doctor said? Twice a day…
Will the result better?

I had to bring this back. The VA has set me to a certified sex therapist. We were talking about the prp shot. She told me the doctor she sends people to is also a certified Anesthesiologist. He will block the nerve going into the penis so you can’t feel anything. Then he draws enough blood in order to inject 11 times into your penis. No pump is used because they don’t want the prp to come out of the injection sites. They just teach you how to rub the shots around. You can pump the next day. Now I haven’t talked to him yet. Will probably do it in the future. It’s just 3k. But before it happens I will find out why everyone else only does 5 shots and wants you to pump after. I’m going to get to the bottom of this.

Let us know how it goes . Good luck.

The Effect of Platelet-Rich Plasma on Peyronie’s Disease in Rat Model.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30317233

“This is the first study of PRP on PD. As a result of pathological examinations, PRP shows PD-like effects in rats. PRP may be a cheap, easily accessible, and an effective disease model for PD treatment research.”

I’m not sure how reliable this study is, or if it’s even been translated correctly. It seems to say that they are proposing PRP be used as an instigator of Peyronie’s Disease in rats.

I found this today while browsing and didn’t think it would be right if I didn’t share it here.


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