Running with PE Weights

I recently started running with PE weights. I use an autoxleeve with a 9oz weight and boxer briefs to keep it from swinging around too much. I feel like I get a good stretch running with the weight, and I like the fact that I’m being efficient with my time. I’m running anyway, so I might as well get some PE out of it. I’ve only done (3) 30min runs at about a 9min/mile pace so far.

Has anyone else tried this? I’m wondering if it will help with length or simply lead to toughening ligaments and limit length gains. The only member I’ve seen mention running with weights is Big Girtha, and he wasn’t focused on length. I believe he gained an inch in length and two inches in girth in seven years. I’m looking for two inches length and a little over an inch in girth in a much shorter period of time.

Can a mod please move this to the main PE forum? This probably isn’t the best idea for beginners.

I don’t even like walking stairs with my Xsleeve on. You are likely over the top on useful trauma and likely to trigger turtling and toughening.

Additionally, sweat and vibration will cause the vacuum possibly to be compromised. And I won’t even start with trauma to the glans tip.

Your obsession with big gains in a short amount of time is not likely to end well.

I’m not a big fan of unmonitored or difficult-to-monitor actions. When you’re running, your unit and the weights are covered up. Furthermore, you’re in public, so it’s difficult for you to check things out. I would make an exception for all-day weights, because at least you get more hours out of the deal (I don’t do it myself, so I can’t speak with much authority). But with running, the risk-reward does not seem favorable. Perhaps you can get the same “shake-and-bounce weights” effect you describe in some other way at home?

This is useful feedback. Thanks.

I’m not sure why you would say “Your obsession with big gains in a short amount of time is not likely to end well.” It seems like a bit of an unfair statement.

We’re all here for big gains in a short period of time - as short as possible without taking excessive risks. Obviously, I would rather gain more in a shorter amount of time. In an attempt to do so, I research PE. I experiment. I do this because I enjoy it. I like reading threads on Thunder’s - the progress logs, the threads debating the science behind PE, etc. I like experimenting with my own routine and seeing what works for me. However, I don’t blindly jump into advanced PE practices.

What it comes down to is the amount of risk each of us is willing to take. Saying “not likely to end well” implies you think I am taking excessive risks.

I’m essentially doing a modified newbie routine plus pumping and wearing an ADS and extender. I take various supplements, all of which are relatively low risk in my opinion. I have done a handful of longer pumping sessions. I go a bit higher than some prefer during my higher pressure sessions - 7-10hg - but I carefully monitor my own PIs and have never gone above 10hg.

I don’t hang. I don’t clamp. I don’t even do advanced manuals yet like ULIs or horse 440s. Forget very advanced PE like TT, TTr, or PE4F style pumping.

I do girth focused work (jelqing and pumping) two weeks per month - then I slow it down and only do manual stretches and an extender for a week, then only manual stretches and an ADS for a week - far more recovery time than many on a traditional 5 on 2 off schedule.

The only non-traditional PE I’ve done yet is run with my ADS on - a short 30min run at a low pace. I don’t see this as high risk. I had no negative PIs, so I tried it two more times. I then posted here to get opinions from more experienced members. I appreciate your opinion. The “obsession with big gains in a short amount of time is not likely to end well” comment caught me a bit off guard considering the time and effort I’ve put into trying to maximize gains in as short of time as possible without doing unnecessarily risky exercises too early.

According to my PE log, I’ve clocked the following PE time in about 5-months.
276 hours - extending
24.21 hours - manual stretching
20.43 hours - jelqing
40.79 hours - pumping

This is nothing compared to those who have been doing PE for years. However, it’s more than enough time to understand myself, my PIs, and make somewhat informed decisions about PE that’s a bit beyond the beginner routine. I’m not someone with one week of PE posting questions about clamping.

What am I doing that is not likely to end well?

Great point. I hadn’t thought of that. Thanks.

You are taking excessive risks. I hope I don’t read about your injury posts.

What are the excessive risks?

We spoke on this the last time I commented on your routine. The path and desperation driving it for the gains as a need isn’t healthy and you admitted this. Gains like Big Girtha had in 7 years match 7 years worth the effort and then some. Your statement of 2x1” in a much shorter time frame is not the attitude to bring to reach those goals.

I spoke on exactly why I think your routine is excessive in the past. The way vacuum weights attach offers increased risk to the glans tip via edema and possible nerve damage. It’s a fact.

My opinion is based on the overarching approach of continually adding more and more to your routine without any serious experience to calibrate any single method. All things I’ve said before.

But, it is your journey. I will withdraw at this point.

This is not a modified newbie routine. You’re pushing the envelope. I guess when I read about something I’d never do after 14 years of PE, it worries me.

Are you referring to running with a 9oz weight?

I don’t want you to withdraw your comments. I just want to understand your feedback. When you commented in my progress thread, you suggested I did not increase PE duration. I did not immediately take your feedback.

However, since that time, I have dramatically reduced my PE duration. I only jelq/pump two weeks per month. I rarely go above 3-4 hours per day in the extender. I never go above 30min in the tube. I’m doing substantially less PE than when you commented. So while I may not have taken your feedback at the time, I ended up changing my routine in accordance with that feedback.

The only “riskier” thing I’ve done is run with a 9oz weight. I didn’t experience any negative PIs at all, and I posted anyway to get feedback.

I expected I’d receive some negative feedback about the running. I didn’t expect negative feedback with blanket statements about everything I’m doing in PE. This is what I’m trying to clarify.

Yes.

I think what is being cautioned against here is a result of your eagerness combined with your familiarity with your body. I gather from your other posts that you bodybuild, specifically, which would indeed have some crossovers, but many differences from PE. For one, we don’t know why PE works, works for some that is. With typical hypertrophy, you’re looking at time under tension + recovery (I’m combining sleep and diet/supps here). The thing is with hypertrophy, you’re putting regular, or functional tension on your muscles /skeleton. Bicep curls involve the bicep in a way that it naturally functions, just under load. With PE, you’re exerting stresses that are not typical for the body. It’s like off label haha. It works but we’re not sure why.

Secondly the injury type may be different than you’d expect in lifting or sports. Besides the unnatural forces, the structure of the penis differs from that of other body parts. I’ve read the injury forum a lot and from what I can tell, you don’t always know you’re injured in the moment. This is one major reason for slow conditioning in the beginning. You’re preparing your penis for the atypical forces, even if you’re not feeling any damage, you may be headed that way.

I feel like you’re doing your research. I think in general you have the personality type that analyzes and works a problem. You’re just chomping at the bit. Especially since you have seen gains. The problem is those gains may slow or stop and the concern is you may continue ramping up, resulting in injury.

One similarity to bodybuilding is the time put in. It takes a long time to build to the size of the big guys. Consistency is key, not necessarily brute force. I think your last comment in your original post set off alarms in the guys who’ve been at this awhile. Now in your mind you may mean 4 years and not 7. If you mean 1 year, that’s a sign that you’re not being realistic. Just like expecting to get huge in one year is unrealistic for someone just entering the gym.

The thing with running that stands out to me is the inability to control the forces combined with their jarring/jerky nature. You said you’re wearing boxers, so maybe it’s not as bad as I imagine.

In the end it’s your dick. Don’t take the reactions as personal attacks. What’s being attacked is a mindset that you may be exhibiting signs of. Risky behavior and a rushed time table or sense of urgency, these are things that lead to injury, sometimes severe. There is a sort of intuition gleaned from years working up to riskier business that actually reduces some of that risk. Sometimes it actually takes injury to learn, or atleast to slow us down. Go slow, it’s not a waste if time to be cautious.

Lilhelp, I appreciate such a thorough response. All great points.

As far as timeframe goes, I want gains as quickly as possible without taking excessive risk. Nothing more, nothing less. I suppose the “excessive risk ” part is subjective. However, I’m very aware of realistic timeframes it takes to gain. I’ve spent countless hours reading threads here at Thunder’s, and I understand what it has taken others to gain. I’d like to find efficiencies and gain faster, but I’m not expecting a miracle. I understand this is a process that takes years, and that is something I’m fully committed to. I’ll give you an example. When I got my extender, I showed it to my wife. I told her “this is my new underwear for the next 3-5 years at a minimum.” Part of going all-in with PE was letting my wife know it would be a substantial time commitment for many years to come. Fortunately, she has been very supportive.

That said, I enjoy reading and experimenting. I want to learn about potential growth mechanisms, tweak my routine, and find what my body responds to. This is the part of PE I find enjoyable, and how I believe I’ll be able to commit for the long haul. Perhaps it’s just my personality type, but I need to find PE intellectually stimulating in some way or another. I don’t just want to blindly pull on my dick for years. I don’t think this mindset puts me at any greater risk of injury.

As far “as excessive risk” goes, I didn’t find running with a 9oz weight held relatively in-place by boxer briefs to be risky at all for a 30min run at a 9min/mile pace. The reason for posting this thread wasn’t concern about potential injury, but wondering whether or not it would toughen ligaments and be counter productive to gains. I suppose everyone is different. I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again. I won’t be doing it in the immediate future, because I just changed my gym routine and I’ll be running to and from the gym. I don’t want to have to take off or put on the xleeve in a gym locker.

I’ll continue to listen to those with more experience and consider what they have to say. I’ve spent more time reading and trying to learn from others than I’ve spent doing actual PE. However, at the end of the day, I need to listen to my own body.