Shrinking flaccid has me bummed

Here is the problem , or maybe not. I have noticed something that is strange. I split my routine 5 on 2 off.

One day I jelq 20 to 30 mins , no squeezes and my flacid seems long and full all day. The other day I jelq but mix in Horses and Ulis. On these days I notice my flacid is smaller almost turtled. This is something that has been going on for about 1 month or so but it has gotten to the point where I would rather not do the squeezes because I feel like I’m reverting progress.

Does it sound like time for a deacon break, I’ve been at it now for 8 months ?? It’s been months without any gains to speak of.

You might be overdoing it. Have you read this thread: Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth! ?

Another idea is to massage your unit after a workout, and maybe even a couple of times during the day. I’ve noticed that this counteracts the turtle effect quite nicely, and a quick tug-and-fluff when you take a leak helps too.

Thanks Cheeva ,
Yea I have read it and the only negative PI I notice is this affect I metioned , Night wood is fairly strong etc.

I noticed the same shrinkage when I clamped for a few weeks. It just seems that Jelqing makes me fuller BUT, without the squeezes how will I gain girth.

Jelqing alone probably won’t get it done. I have gained 3/8” girth in this 8 months of PE , but most was in the first 5 months.

flaccid, not flacid
decon (as in “deconditioning”), not deacon break

If it’s been months without gains, and your attempts at increasing intensity are being met with turtling, then you could either take a decon break, or just continue with the jelqing which you report is giving you a long, full flaccid all day, and see if you see gains under that routine.

If dropping Horses nd Ulis and dropping back to just jelqing does not result in gains, consider a decon break.

All these posts dealing with flaccid size are so ridiculous as to be bordering on the absurd. Is there any reason to care about your flaccid size…..I mean, if you have a 7-8 erect size why do you care about your flaccid size. Now, I am going to tell you something that does not get much of a consensus in this forum, your true flaccid size will not change through PE. Its like your shoe size or your hand size; at maturity these appendages pretty much are unchanging (genetically conditioned). PE improves vascular structures that become more robust during an erection hence your conditioning has allowed you to optimize erectile quality and size. That’s it. Flaccid appearance is like a stock chart it runs up and down depending on mood, weather, emotion (you pretty much name it).

The reason your flaccid has “shrunk” is due to trauma and nothing else, your penis will “turtle” for body heat and repair. Its no reason to get “bummed” about, its just nature running its course. When you improve your blood paths you will naturally receive a little better tumescence in your flaccid appearance due to the vessels ability to retain/hold more blood. But for all practical measuring purposes your flaccid size has not significantly changed. I am about 8 x 6 erect now, before I was a 6incher but my flaccid has not changed one “iota,” I could fool you into believing it has by “fluffing” it up, I can induce blood engorgement without becoming hard and have a nice pseudo appearing flaccid. My package is very reactive, I shrink to nothing at the smallest draft from an open window, it shrinks to nothing when a blade to trim my hairs approaches it. Flaccid is fools gold, just work on the damn boner.

Hmmm…maybe it’s in the arterioles?

Vokey58

I hear you man , I dont give a damn about flaccid. I was only bummed because I was under the impression that jelquing alone isn’t going to help with girth the way squeezes would. My turteling flaccid doesnt seem like it’s going to make a bigger unit when erect as a fuller flaccid. Get what I’m saying??

As far as flaccid goes , I dont care, I just want to be doing the right thing and not wasting my time.

I was using my smaller flaccid as a guage of over training ,so are you saying it’s trauma only and that I shouldnt be concerned about it. I was thinking of it as a negative PI , but if it’s normal then I’ll keep at it.

I mean if it’s trauma that leads to gains that’s good but if It doesnt I need to stop. Hence the delima!

Yes, the equation: “Trauma = Gains,” that should be the motto of PE. Whatever does not turn the “little guy,” into dog meat will make him stronger (and bigger). The principles of body building apply to PE, namely, you breakdown matter to allow it to remodel into something larger and stronger. You just need to allow sufficient rest period for the repair to take place so that you can “start all over again.” Do not fear the “tyrtle” (in the short term it will make you feel weak and afraid) but this is an irrational fear but many PE’rs feel it every day and try to “straight-jacket” the penis from regaining health. Just know that from his shell he will arise bigger and stronger then he was before (and largely due to improved arterioles, capillaries and veins).

Now, where’s my sledgehammer? I could create some MAJOR trauma with that.

But, seriously - how far do you take this theory, Vokey?

Do you find the Newbie Penis Enlargement Routine too tame?

Do you reject this wimpy current pumping philosophy of pumping at two or three or four inHg in favor of whatever your dick will take without actually exploding?

How many pounds/dozen pounds/hundreds of pounds do you advocate hanging?

Just how much trauma do you advocate? “Whatever does not turn the ‘little guy,’ into dog meat will make him stronger (and bigger)” sounds pretty extreme. Got any science to back that up? I’m not seeing that you have even posted statistics or a routine to prove that you’ve put your dick to the test on this.

Needless to say, I disagree that “trauma = gains”, and I think that extreme PE is both hazardous and counterproductive, but I’m always willing to consider that there’s an angle or some information that could throw a different light on things. So, throw the light, Vokey.

And everyone else: proceed down this road at your own (potentially extreme) risk. Stress is one thing. Outright trauma is quite another.

Fucking troll.

Good post Lampwick.

Our buddy Shilow has left the building, yet again.

I guess I’ll put my sledgehammer away, then.

Dick trauma at the hospital, ouch! PE should not hurt!

Agreed, and to repeat for those who have not heard it before: sore is one thing. Outright pain is another.

Methods that extreme give PE a bad name and encourages men to do dreadful and harmful things to themselves.