Hanging Debate: Bib- or Vac-type

I would like to initiate a debate into this topic, despite of the opinion of some in here that everything has already been said about hanging.

Although I am a I do have vac hanger I have one observation to share. It came up when reading posts in the 3” thread.

The veterans all used bib (or compression-) type hanger which, contrary to vac hangers share one property:

They produce ischemia! (= Lack of blood and consequently lack of oxygen).

And ischemia is a blood vessel growth promoting factor, - analogy comes from ischemic disease of the lower limbs where we can observe growth of new and/or growth of existing blood vessels stimulated by the lack of blood in that limb due to atherosclerotic disease (in most cases).

I am interested in your opinions, and / or other suggestions why one or the other hanging technique might be superior.

One last point: I am a hanger, and I want to discuss hanging with those who are interested, too.

To those who are not, or who believe that all has been said about hanging: stay out of this thread, at least refrain from comments like ‘there is nothing new under the sun about the topic of hanging’. Maybe we are not going to re-invent the wheel in this thread, but may be it will be fun, interesting and motivating for those who join.

Ticker, I had experienced hanger for a time (two months) with 17 lbs, during 35 min. A day.

When I tried to put more weigth I had problems because bad wrap and the weight slips.

Then I started pumping.

When I hanged I had no gains, but my erections go harder.

Now when I am pumping (about a month) I noticed some increase in girth.

I think that hanger is better but I do not have much time, so nowadays I am pumping.

When get some time and learn to how to wrap to get more weight I’ll turn back to hang.

I used a vac-hanger for 10-months of dedicated hanging of heavy weight. In my opinion I achieved only modest gains, which to date is somewhere between and 1/4” and 1/2” (not sure what that is on a ruler).

In the end I felt like I pushed the vac-hanger to the limit at about 20 lbs. I would tear sleeves frequently and at times felt like the stretching of my skin in particular my glans gave out before maximum fatigue set in.

A new sleeve for heavy weight was developed near the end of my hanging, which I felt was a big improvement. They were green.

I stopped hanging and have gone back to jelqs and manual stretches in addition to and ADS, which I try to wear a few times a week for like 4-6 hrs.

I think I should give the Bib-hanger a shot though.

I tried a Bib-hanger type hanger, and immediately had incredible skins gain, but not gains of the penis; I did’ nt feel a real stretch of the shaft with it.

You said ischemia is a blood-vessel growth factor - but we are interested in growth of the corpora cavernosa, right? Is ischemia a growth factor for corpora cavernosa? And if is ischemia the real growth-promoter, clamping should be the best choice for PE.

I don’t like vacuum-hanger also: I don’t like the suction of my uretra that it seem cause.

Have you gained length from hangers, ttt? And if so, what type of hanger?

I gained only with a noose-style hanger made by myself; but it’s really uncomfortable.

Sorry if this post is non-pertinent.

Good point - ischemia is a growth factor for erteries, corpora caverna are more a venous type sponge - so it is unclear whether ischemia promotes growth of the cc. This was just a hypothesis, inspired to some degree by the fact that some of the early hangers claim incredible gains (bib, eg). I was thginking they must either be liars or there must be a factor related to the type of hangers they used (constriction type like the bib hanger).

I am using a vac hanger and am making gains at a very slow rate. Unfortunately I had a frenulum tear which threw me back (almost 2/8th of an inch). I have regained that plus a little more.

I don’t want to go in to the debate if Bib is a liar or not; seems to me, however (I may be wrong) that there aren’t much guys who gained more than 1 inch with Bib’s-hanger; ModestoMan, who I belevie is a very honest and smart man, didn’t gained nothing with that hanger.

On the other hand, I think constriction-type hanging is similar to the other techniques who cause ischemia, (but less efficient); pumping also cause ischemia, if I’m not in fall; clamping is the clearest ischemia-based exercise; jelq use a partial ischemia, right?; all what those methods have in common is that they are good for girth, less for length.

So, ischemia seem an important factor for causing hypertrophy - girth expansion; for length gains ischemia has secondary role, and maybe is counter-productive.

Has ischemia a role as growth-factor in muscular contraction? Some studies says yes - I don’t have the references just by now, but you could easily find. This could be another piece of the puzzle, if what is said here:
http://www.exer cisingthepenis. … e-175-41_3.html

is true. So, a basic point of penis anatomy, the fact that the penis has’nt muscles, may be false.

I think you might be on to something with this. I was thinking the other day about how my biggest girth gains came when I was hanging with my winch. I got girth gains where the clamp was at the end of my shaft. This may also explain why campers get more gain at the base than any were else.

Marinera and GonaBeBig - thanks for your input.

The muscle story: smooth muscle as in blood vessels and in the spongy tissue has been discussed extensively in ThunderSS’s forum. The reference to this forum: ‘exercising the penis’ is (maybe) unnecessary, because most if not everything in there is copied and pasted from ThunderSS’s as far as I know. The guy who initiated that forum has also been also a long time member at thunderSS. I am not saying that this is wrong but I doubt that there is substantial information over there which cannot be found at thunderSS. Btw - ThunderSS - what do you thing about these statements and - what is the meaning of SS in your nick?

Nevertheless, it is interesting to see growing evidence that my theory might be correct.

Incidentally - I am a vac-hanger and I like it. Yet - I pulled out my good old bib and gave it a try today - not because I find it very comfortable - rather because of the ischemia effect. I am planning to alternate between bib and vac hanger now.

SS=Super Sport.

I always thought the only muscle was in the blood vessels myself.

A common misconception is that Bib got his allegedly stupendous gains using a Bib Hanger or similar type hanger. Actually, Bib’s gains came mostly from using a noose-type hanger. He invented his clamshell design after making the majority of his gains to address the significant safety problems presented by the noose.

I think any ischemia would be induced near the end of the penis, within or in front of the hanger attachment. Of course, some ischemia might result simply from holding the penis in a stretched state.

Wouldn’t that be a clamp type hanger rather than a noose type hanger?

Correct me if I’m wrong but didnt Bib hang for hours and hours a day? Did he also not do anything else except for what he called “mild milking” Perhaps the secret is go for length “only” really, “only length” no jelqing, squeezing, etc.. and do it multiple times a day. Without the other exercises upping the intensity, one could hang or stretch multiple times without overtraining. Perhaps thats why Mem’s routine was effective, it was twice a day. It may have been even more effective if it was his V-STRETCH ONLY 2-3 TIMES A DAY, no jelging, or Uli’s. Perhaps an even better aproach would be to go after Ligs only for a few months, then later tunica only, and then girth, truly “divide and conquer” For hard gainers this may be a better approach and may decrease plateaus. This approach could be used for hanging or stretching. What do you gentlemen think?

Pepper

I thought I read that he used a noose originally. I’ll check after dinner.

Yeah, until he figured out he was going to break his dick. Then he went with the original homemade hanger. That’s the outfit he made his gains with I believe.

Bib’s history