Are Pumping Gains Permanent? Wrong Question

Ah ok. My penis can’t handle that high of pressure. I do wrap a super hot heating pad around the tube and I’m in it for about 30 minutes at about 3hg. Gets pretty big girth wise but not length. What I have been doing though is pumping in ice cold water as soon I’m done with the heating part for 10 minutes. Try the ice water thing it’s been working great for me.

Peforeal repeatedly states in his posts that he pumps with an erection for the majority of the time. He does this by using somewhat shorter sets done back to back. Avocet also used shorter sets. Either way, the shorter the sets, the more proportional time pumping under an erection, and the majority of the big pumping gainers seemed to do this.

I don’t have time to do 10 minute sets, and I am incapable of maintaining an erection through even a 10 minute set. I don’t have ED, but this simply does not come naturally to me, so I have no option but to allow the erection to fade out.

With that said, I treat pumping more like an ADS than anything else. I pump past my BPEL and hold for a half hour for each set. This is different than hanging and more similar to an ADS because it holds the penis at that point and does not continue pulling it further. In this regard, the value that pumping has over an ADS in my opinion is the ability to use moist heat so well.

Ice water is extremely useful.

Water Pumping: Alternating Hot & Cold

Not for the first time I happened to agree with LV. Also I’m doing something very similar: I waterpump beyond my bpel and let it stay there for more then the regular 10 minutes you’ll usually be advised to. Such an expansion requires some high pressure that probably will remain unknown to most waterpumpers due to the technique of waterpumping. But let me tell you it is high pressure for sure. I have not yet had an injury because of it but as with every exercise you’ll better build up slowly time and pressure and listen to your dick.

I combine it with ads these days. I put on my ads right after having left the cylinder and keep it like for as long as I want to; with some heavy tension. Recent results: 0,5-0,7 mm cemented length gains. I can’t really point out which of the two exercises are responsible for my recent gains. I guess one needs both flour and sugar to make a cake.

A funny and true statement :)

Congratulations on your gains.

Do you guys experience any girth gains with water pumping at higher pressure levels or is it mostly length gains?

And what has your routine been lately, caldera?

You’re able to use an ADS after pumping? Doesn’t the lymph build up (even extremely light, as in the case of water pumping) make it uncomfortable?

I believe that using an ADS with water pumping in the method that caldera and I use would be an EXCELLENT routine. I just can’t figure out how to do it with the lymph build up. Ideally, one would use the water pumping with hot water and IR light for a couple of 30 minute sets with a short break in between, and then wear an ADS that holds the penis at just past the BPEL for the remainder of the day (this is possible due to the second kind of pumping gains mentioned here, short-term non-lymph based creep). Due to even minor lymph build up, this becomes extremely uncomfortable for me quickly.

Thanks renholder. I just took a 1 week break- which let me realize my current gains, I guess. But I’m getting back at things now. What I do is water pumping in the morning for 20-30 min with nicely warm water even further heated from IR-light. Note: I use an oversized cylinder, therefore there is no tubefilling or anything like that. The water covers all areas from bottom to top.
I recently experimented with a cockring-like constriction sleeve put on before getting into the pump. It’s not a clamping device of any sort, just a theraband sleeve cut to the shape of a cockring. I want to try to prolong my erect/ semi-erect state in the pump because just like LV my erection fades after some minutes. I can’t go into it further since it’s still in experimental mode and I just did it a few times like that.

After wp’ing I put on my selfmade vac-ads and give it a good stretch, keep it on during the day and only take it off at bathroom breaks. I started with 2 hours and increased ads time to up to 8 hours. In the evening I repeat what’s been described above and add one session with ice cold water. Then: rest!
My bpel was usually 18-18,5 cm. Now it’s 19 cm. In the tube I can get up to 19,5 cm. Therefore I can positivelly answer the question wheter pumping gains are permanent or not. At least length wise to get back to your first point, renholder. I will try to provoke girth gains from wp’ing in the future. Maybe my theraband sleeve can be usefull for that.

Ouite the opposite, LV. I find a little lymph build up rather beneficial, actually. I suppose this has to do with the technical design of vac- hanging and/or -ads devices. Here is what I do: I get out of the tube with some fluid build up below the glans. I put on some baby powder and tape my whole glans with theraband so that it fits really tightly into the cup (no air needed while vacuum hanging or ads’ing). I put the silicone sleeve over the cup, my glans into the cup, let the sleeve roll over the mildly lymphatic 1-1 1/2 inches of the shaft. Done! Ads attached. I find it rather pleasent to let the silicone sleeve rest on a bigger than usual shaft because this is all it’s supposed to do there: rest. The little lymph build up serves as a buffer zone, nothing more.
The beautly of pumping in combination with ads’ing is that the glans is not affected by fluid build up; but it’s rigtht at the glans and the glanses corona where the pulling power is created. Ideally, there shall not be any force felt on the shaft. Therefore a little fluid build up is no hindrance at all for me.

Ahhh. You’re vac ADSing. That makes much more sense.

I was actually looking into that last night. I can’t find anyone who’s seen any change in gains because of it, though.

What did you think I was doing, LV?

Most of the ADS aren’t vacuum based, as you know.

I’m not sure if it is worth ordering. The lack of gains from it’s use by people here, as well as my risk aversion to uncomfortable ADS devices (never tried it, but how much more comfortable than a traction based ADS can it be?), is preventing me from ordering one now.

That’s why they are uncomfortabe.

I became a fan of vacuum work and I suppose ads played a major role in my recent length gains. For me it was less about ordering (the silicone obviously) and more about DIY thanks to tps:

Silicone Sleeves - Make your own

But this is Pumper’s forum, right? Let’s get back to pumping.

caldera,

Thanks for filling me in. So, you perform only one set per day? No cool down with cold water?

I planned on getting into clamping to focus on girth, but it is tempting to get started with a consistent WP routine using IR-light.

LV,

What kind of ADS are you using?

I`m currently very happy with Monty`s golf weights held in place with a thick cloth and a cable clamp, like Saiyan does. I currently do not have a problem with fluid build-up, but personally I don`t think that would be an issue if I were to resume WP.

No. I do at least 3 sets per day. My current routine:
1. 1 set WP in the morning with hot water
2. wearing ads device pretty much all day long
3. 2 sets WP in the evening; 1 with hot water, the other with ice cold water.
I may increase WP in the evening to 3 or 4 sets

Good luck with clamping, renholder! PE and IR-light goes well together

Do you wrap your glans or apply any liquid onto it?

No need to be that strict, I think this is a useful conversation, I’m not derailing my own thread that much, and this forum (the pumping forum) is particularly dead nowadays. I think it could use all the activity it can get :D .

Really?

You think the discussion of vacuum ADS in combination with water pumping is too off topic as well?