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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Originally Posted by AlbanianGiant
@Kyrpa
@Tutt
@igigi
@all participating members

What an amazing thread. It was an eye opener and full of scientific orientation.

I throughly enjoyed reading it. The technical terms were very difficult to grasp, but I got the whole point.

The arguments raised and cleared were extremely helpfull.

Thank you for your work, explainations and thoughts.

Glad you went through the whole thing my friend. It takes a while, but it contains extremely valuable data that will allow you to replicate the same gains if not better. And the bestie yet to come as we come to contact with new information and trials.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by Tutt
Because I make frequent reference to certain terms in the IPR protocol, I will clarify a bit. There is not really a discrete line of demarcation between the I and P phases of healing. All of the theoretical and practical results that I’ve seen point to an ideal I/P phase (aka intense workout phase) of 14-21 days. Beyond that, there seems to be a plateau which I referenced previously. So when I say “a few brief heated strain procedures over a 2 week period”, what I really mean is something like 6-8 total workouts with 2-3 days rest between. After about 14 days if there’s been a plateau, the rest phase should begin. After about 21 days, even if a plateau hasn’t been hit, the rest phase should still begin. If you haven’t reached the plateau within 21 days, your strain and heat protocol isn’t optimal, which means you are spending a lot of effort cycling below the proportionality limit, which is counterproductive. One shouldn’t stay in that cycle indefinitely in hopes of continued gains. Take the proper rest and then try to adjust the workout to be fully effective within the 2-3 week window. In terms of proper rest. I’m sure that as little as 3 weeks would produce some results. I believe over the long term 6-8 weeks is optimal. Beyond that is likely just wasted time in this context. So fundamentally you’d be able to do 4-5 full cycles per year with a 5-10mm expansion in each cycle.

Just going through this whole thread to try and find tune my own routine after about 2.5 years of my own gains. But are you saying that with this process that you can expect .98 - 1.98 inches of gains each year?

Originally Posted by wurst

You could pre-warm your dick during the conditioning phase. However, make sure to use heat only after you have gone past your current BPEL.

This is an interesting comment. May I ask why we should only use heat after we stretch past our BPEL? And how far past our BPEL we should wait to use heat?

Originally Posted by Tutt
This is where I diverge slightly from others, but as you say, they are still getting good gains so I won’t say their method is wrong or bad.

For me, PE is a scientific exploration, already recognizing what is generally possible, it only concerns me what is optimal. Thus, IMO, over the leg is not OPTIMAL. It is an acceptable compromise for those unable to build a more optimal device that anchors off the public bone and includes precise micrometer measurement and adjustment.

Once such a device is employed, the game is changed. It is no longer very helpful to perform a pre-treatment BPFSL. The only measurements are BPEL pre-treatment (or really any time) and BPFSL measured within the strain device at peak strain during the treatment. Then you can see if each of those is increasing over time. What else really matters?

While I’ve had people ask if the measurement within the device suffers from variation based on the fat pad and ligament positions, I’ve found that it is still much more consistent than a manual BPFSL which is very dependent on variable load, angle, etc.

By all means keep doing something if you are getting the results you want, but over time I’m finding that it is quite important not to subject the penis to any non-physiological strain at a temp below 39C. And also never at a strain rate greater than 1-2% per minute, which is incredibly slow. Far too slow to accomplish manually. If you feel compelled to measure a cold BPFSL, please do so by performing a single measurement very briefly only once during a 7-14day period and not on a treatment day. IOW, tell the body it was just a random 5-10 second load that isn’t expected to happen again. No need to start strengthening the organ to adapt.

So you’re essentially saying that one also can’t do some light jelqing 10-15 mins 3 times per week? Jelqing is causing mechanical stress and when the shaft is not heated to US temperature range, it will be counterproductive? Should I only concentrate on length like only doing US therapy and doing lots of cycles until I reach my desired length of 10 inches BPFSL? And afterwards going for exercises that increase BPEL ?

Also I really need to measure BPFSL every week in order to gauge if I’m right on track. There’s no way around it without making it all more complicated. If I just stretch my flaccid shaft out very slowly and then use my wooden ruler to measure it quickly, that would not be a problem right?

If we are trying to slowly reduce the temperature in the final phase to 37C in order to reduce the strain rate during cooldown, what would be a good way to figure out the US settings to perform this? And what would be a good protocol for such a cooldown?

I was thinking of first figuring out what power density of the US I should use to bring the temperature up to stable 37C. Then I could use that, or just a bit below, to use as heating during the cooldown phase.

Would a multistep reduction of the power density settings make more sense, and I would just end up with the last step slightly below the setting needed for 37C? This would make the cooldown more linear compared to the first protocol where the cooldown is exponential until it reaches 37C.


Last edited by nshaq : 12-11-2022 at .

Originally Posted by nshaq
If we are trying to slowly reduce the temperature in the final phase to 37C in order to reduce the strain rate during cooldown, what would be a good way to figure out the US settings to perform this? And what would be a good protocol for such a cooldown?

I was thinking of first figuring out what power density of the US I should use to bring the temperature up to stable 37C. Then I could use that, or just a bit below, to use as heating during the cooldown phase.

Would a multistep reduction of the power density settings make more sense, and I would just end up with the last step slightly below the setting needed for 37C? This would make the cooldown more linear compared to the first protocol where the cooldown is exponential until it reaches 37C.

If you aim to ramp it down it should be very easy. Have you seen the graphs of the temperature decay?

It is only the first 3 minutes you should take care of.
The temperature drops immediately by 2 to 3 degrees in a minute.
The easiest is to turn from vigorous heating to sloppy heating, careless swiping all along the shaft should do it.
Or continue as you were with lower intensity for a couple of minutes before discontinuing.

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START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Hello Kyrpa!
Good to see you here. You are our Prometheus! have you been doing any maintenance routines or there is no need ?
Have you continued with any successful girt work?

I am doing your US protocol or ate least im learning to do it And i have some questions.

Im not sure if stress relaxation phase is correct but i remember Igigi was having progress even with creep.
So my setup is bungee cord then weight scale then vacum cup. I am laying on my bed and i have couple pillows behind my head so im not in a flat position. Legs are in frog pose and the angle of the pull on my penis is little bit less than 45 degrees - straight out ( not over the leg) . I was using thermometer to track the temperature but i found it difficult so now i use my thumb instead to feel the heat and I apply US ( same device as yours) from the under side of penis. I start from behind glans and move the spot when i feel the desired heat and I continue all the way down. Its difficult to target the base and ligaments because of the angle , but i also feel the best stretch with this angle of pull.

I want to target those ligaments better, as i have ereaction angle pointing up with almost zero angle from my belly, but if i focus on the ligaments the rest of penis is cold.

Firstbibwant to ask you - for a perfect session - do we need to keep all the shaft and base in therapeutic temperatures 40-43 degrees , during the heating part. I feel like now by the time i get back to behing the glans its already a lot cooler.
Before i apply heat i sttetch and build the kg slowly to 1.8kg for 10mins as i find my glans very cold and swollen amif i keep up to 1 hour.
I track my progress bone pressed and i measure to the edge of the vacum cup. I measure at end of 20 mins heating part.

My first session was 17.5 cm , my 6th session was 18 cm and my last session was 17.6cm . During heating phase inbuild up to 3.5 kg sometimes 3 kg.

After heating phase finish I stay around 5 mins and i take of the scale from the bungee rope and i start stretching all angles with around 3 kg .

Thats my routine and i do 2 on 2 off.

I want to reach better measurements. Only thing that i believe sets me back is how i apply the heat.

I know i can easily gain 2 3 cm just from my ligaments and erection angle drop , this is the first thing i want to accomplish and then I will focus on the actual shaft.

I was thinking to get a FIRe and wrap it around my shaft and work with US the base .
I know from studies on extenders and from what people report on subreddit “Gettingbigger “ - around 400 hours are needed in extender for gains and they come first from ligaments and penis protruding out of the body.
Hopefully if i can get my routine correct i can lower thise hours down .
I really want to achieve your gains!
I also ordered a second US pro 2000 2nd eddition device.
If you want you can check my thread i will upload my set up.

How is the heat measured? How do we know if our internal temp has reached the correct level?


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

i’ve been on the forum for 7 months and this is the first time I’ve see this thread, really great info, since I am only 2 months into NIR+RED pad I will let you know more about heat experiences when I have some.


Stop setting goals, set objectives without limitations.

5.5 NBPEL Start~~ 5.7 NBPEL- 2011 ~~ 5.75 NBPEL/ 4.25 EG 2012 (Stop 11 years- Started again 4/2023 same stats as 2012)

6.2 NBPEL / 6.7 BPEL / 4.5 EG (5 EG w/ C-Ring) / Grower 4 FL - 12/2023 ~~ (Objective 6.75 NBPEL / 7.25 BPEL / 5.5 EG & Solid EQ)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
If you aim to ramp it down it should be very easy. Have you seen the graphs of the temperature decay?

It is only the first 3 minutes you should take care of.
The temperature drops immediately by 2 to 3 degrees in a minute.
The easiest is to turn from vigorous heating to sloppy heating, careless swiping all along the shaft should do it.
Or continue as you were with lower intensity for a couple of minutes before discontinuing.

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Fahrenheit
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Can you tell me your thoughts on this heating pad?

Graphene Heat Pad – Stealth for Men


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Hi Mr. Shlong and anyone else who would like to help.

First off would like to congratulate you on your gains! I am a college kid looking to start PE. I have some experience with hanging and water pumping for 2-3months straight while using an all day stretcher 4x a week for hours. I took a break for a year and now I am back (saw minimal gains). Looking for a new routine to start with and gradually increase the routine. Here is the catch, I am a freshman in college living in the dorms so the exercises can not be completed in my room and will be completed in the bathroom. When you get the chance, would you be able to help me out and provide a newbie routine that involves water pumping to gain girth and length? Your time is valuable and I appreciate the time you have given up to help others on this website. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Klehman
Hi Mr. Shlong and anyone else who would like to help.
First off would like to congratulate you on your gains! I am a college kid looking to start PE. I have some experience with hanging and water pumping for 2-3months straight while using an all day stretcher 4x a week for hours. I took a break for a year and now I am back (saw minimal gains). Looking for a new routine to start with and gradually increase the routine. Here is the catch, I am a freshman in college living in the dorms so the exercises can not be completed in my room and will be completed in the bathroom. When you get the chance, would you be able to help me out and provide a newbie routine that involves water pumping to gain girth and length? Your time is valuable and I appreciate the time you have given up to help others on this website. Thank you!


Welcome to the community and the life.

Unfortunately I won’t be of much assistance because all of my gains came from hanging, as I had an abundance of free time and privacy on my hands due to working at home. I wish you the best of luck in your journey and would say read up as much as possible. Check out the Penis Pumps forum here, as you’ll find a lot of helpful information.


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Anyone doing the US method, do you wear sleeves or are you doing it on whatever exposed penis there is?


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Hi Kyrpa

I’ve been wondering what the rationale was for not heating the shaft during the manual stretches (so during your cooldown period after the 20 minute period over the leg). I’m guessing it’s been just because of practicality where you can’t manually stretch and do US at the same time, but is there any reason not to heat the shaft during those harder stretches in your opinion? Reason for asking is that I’m going to revert to a heated routine - I’ve got the US Pro 2nd Edition and an FIR pad is on the way, and with both I’m going to take urethral temperatures to figure out effectiveness for myself (and depending on if it’s possible with the set up, to see if I can use the FIR pad and then US only around the base simultaneously). If I find that the FIR pad is effective in practice, then presumably it means the heavy stretching (which I’ve experimented doing with just 9kg weight off the BiB hanger) could happen while the shaft was still at target temperature, then cool down with minimal weight after for 10 mins.


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.5" BPEL x 5.98" EG (average distal/mid/base shaft)

Goal: 8" BPEL x 6.5" EG (whole shaft)

Amazing all your contributions to the forum.

Have you taken some pictures and measured your penis?

Can you upload them please?

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