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Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Originally Posted by Karroko2
Hello Tutt,

From rereading this post , one thought boders me - isn’t initially measuring BPFSL just before begining protocol being counterproductive- as you said it triggers the stigfening response to tissues. I haven’t measured the load - but I assume that when each of us is measuring he is using more than 5 kg pull to reach his BPFSL.

Should we then measure BPFSL at the morning - use that as a starting point for the session and have the actual session later on during the day.

Also from your 4 elemnts - 60 mins protocol

For the first part of protocol 30 mins of stress relaxation- we are building slowly our length to near our current day Starting BPFSL -

Then once we move on to US heat (40/42 celsius) we aim for the sweet 3% elongation strain. If we have to measure that - would be difficult to those doing over the leg US heating.

So in the first 30 minutes we shouldn’t exceed that morning BPFSL . We only exceed that lenght in US heat Phase and hold that lenght at cool down phase.

So is this the most efficient way possible to do the US protocol?

I had the impression up to this post of yours,

That we begin the protocol close to our Starting BPFSL for the day and just repeat the stress relaxation up to the cooling Phase. Without tracking the Elongation. Just measure the final BPFSL and calculate strain.
This has brought amazing gains to the others.

This is where I diverge slightly from others, but as you say, they are still getting good gains so I won’t say their method is wrong or bad.

For me, PE is a scientific exploration, already recognizing what is generally possible, it only concerns me what is optimal. Thus, IMO, over the leg is not OPTIMAL. It is an acceptable compromise for those unable to build a more optimal device that anchors off the public bone and includes precise micrometer measurement and adjustment.

Once such a device is employed, the game is changed. It is no longer very helpful to perform a pre-treament BPFSL. The only measurements are BPEL pre-treatment (or really any time) and BPFSL measured within the strain device at peak strain during the treatment. Then you can see if each of those is increasing over time. What else really matters?

While I’ve had people ask if the measurement within the device suffers from variation based on the fat pad and ligament positions, I’ve found that it is still much more consistent than a manual BPFSL which is very dependent on variable load, angle, etc.

By all means keep doing something if you are getting the results you want, but over time I’m finding that it is quite important not to subject the penis to any non-physiological strain at a temp below 39C. And also never at a strain rate greater than 1-2% per minute, which is incredibly slow. Far too slow to accomplish manually. If you feel compelled to measure a cold BPFSL, please do so by performing a single measurement very briefly only once during a 7-14day period and not on a treatment day. IOW, tell the body it was just a random 5-10 second load that isn’t expected to happen again. No need to start strengthening the organ to adapt.

@Kypra

I could of sworn you talked somewhere about penis pumps not being as effective as they could be because the large diameter. Forgive me if I’m wrong. I have an electric air pump so my question is if I could find a pvc pipe just a tad bigger than my erection girth could I basically put my dick in it and inside the air pump so I could target girth much better? Or maybe put on two silicon sleeves than the air pump? I hope you understand my question.

Hi guys,

Do you think it would be informative if someone records them using the actual US device? Because I still don’t know what exact method and way to perform it.

Say the septum was the limiting factor and you are able to stretch/grow it with US. To the point that the CC and CS now have stress on them when the penis it stretched not just septum taken all of the load. Is 3kg to 4kg enough tension at that point with kyrpas protocol? Or should you try to grow CC and CS till septum is the only limit again before restarting kyrpas protocol?

The US method seems very promising.. What US machines do any of you recommend?

DingDong

Originally Posted by DingDong86
The US method seems very promising.. What US machines do any of you recommend?

DingDong

Re read the entire thread. It has been answered before.


I can’t believe I finished reading this entire thread. Haven’t had gains for years, on my second week of this protocol and I’m up 2mm pre BPFSL.

I’m having trouble keeping the US pro 2 up to temp and I read that some people are using FIR pads to assist. Does that need US gel on the pad to use? I’m confused how that would work.

I’m eyeing the Soundcare combo unit as it’s a bit more powerful and could possibly keep me up to temperature better plus it does Russian Stim which I’m currently paying the physical therapist to do. I’m not long enough to use both units at the same time, but maybe someday.

FIR pad is similar to and used just like a regular heating pad.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by 32quarters
FIR pad is similar to and used just like a regular heating pad.

Wouldn’t it allow reflection if used like that? How would the sound waves go through it? Or are they absorbed by the material?

I’m just here for the routine, point to the right direction please.

You know like a step 1 step 2 step 3

If this is a stretching with heat article again. But people having my there own version and routine to it. Please try to make a simple. All I’m seeing is all these progress.

You guys need to practice making a simple version example “hey I start my stretching with heat for this amount of hours then I do this for cool down then I do this etc etc then I’m done until the next day. It’s literally that simple.

Originally Posted by JamesDingDong
I’m just here for the routine, point to the right direction please.

You know like a step 1 step 2 step 3

If this is a stretching with heat article again. But people having my there own version and routine to it. Please try to make a simple. All I’m seeing is all these progress.

You guys need to practice making a simple version example “hey I start my stretching with heat for this amount of hours then I do this for cool down then I do this etc etc then I’m done until the next day. It’s literally that simple.

So what you are saying is that someone other than yourself should read and analyze all the information on the forum. Then synthesize it all into an easy to digest step 1, step 2, step 3 format. Am I understanding correctly?

Maybe this same mystery fairy man can even perform the routine for you. The problem is his dick will grow and yours won’t.

Originally Posted by Rocco25
A)
Sounds gloomy, the whole thing. I learned that in Finland there is a technical word for what to do in such weather: Kalsarikännit :D
You can’t pull the wiener all the time, can you?

B)
That sounds interesting. I will have a closer look at the setup. Current I do not stretch, so I can not test anything. Also, as of today there is a lockdown in Germany, stores are closed, and DHL won’t deliver promptly during the Christmas season either.
If I can find another way to initiate the force, then that opens some doors for me. Then I can build a setup without a clamp.

C)
I already read the thread you linked too, but didn’t think of this post again. Of course, that piqued my curiosity and I think I came across a serious alternative to gelatin. For this, I found a PhD thesis on the topic "Development and evaluation of a veterinary Doppler phantom for use in teaching and training". This is about half a year old and can be found here: https://edoc.ub .uni-muenchen.d … elsen_Alina.pdf .
My luck, your bad luck: The paper is in German.
I did not read this paper completely and tried to extract the necessary for me.
Addition-curing silicone rubbers are a good alternative to gelatin to create US phantoms. What is interesting about this work is that the author determined the sonic velocities of the respective materials. In her case, she used products from the company Smooth-On. This means that if someone in the USA wants to replicate this, you can get the material quite easily.
The work also includes additives such as micro glass beads to improve penetration. However, I would refrain from doing that in my project.
The product DragonSkin with 20 Shore A looks very interesting in my opinion, there the reflection is mathematically less than 1% and can easily compete with gelatin. In the PhD thesis, the Ecoflex 00-20 material (also from Smooth-On) was preferred because the addition of 2% micro glass beads (50 µm) raises the hardness somewhat. Since the EcoFlex is softer than the DragonSkin, this was used. Hardness is critical for coupling, the harder the worse. Both DragonSkin and Ecoflex are skin-friendly.
For the German market, I found another product called Wagnersil 22 NF, which is cheaper than the one from smooth-on. Since I don’t know the sound velocities here, I made three assumptions to determine the reflection. In the PhD thesis, the measurements of the sound velocities for the addition-curing silicone rubbers are around 1000 .. 1400 m/s.
Even if the Wagner silicone has a sound velocity of 1000 m/s, the reflection is at most 4 %. At 1400 m/s it is almost zero. According to the manufacturer, this product is also skin friendly.

I haven’t decided yet whether to use Wagnersil or DragonSkin. But the resilient numbers are in favor of DragonSkin. This stuff can withstand over 200 °C, so IR is not a problem either. And when the pad is (hopefully) soon too small, make a new one :D :D :D

I have attached the calculations of the reflection including my assumptions. For me the silicone makes more sense than gelatin.

PS.: I also added the calculations of the assumptions we made before (Silicone best / worst)

The results I found online were dramatically different: Speed of sound in rubber-based materials for ultrasonic phantoms

What do you think is the maximum tolerable reflection percentage?

Originally Posted by gjw965
The results I found online were dramatically different: Speed of sound in rubber-based materials for ultrasonic phantoms

What do you think is the maximum tolerable reflection percentage?

Interesting report!

But I’m not sure if you’re comparing apples and oranges here.

In the report you linked, the EcoFlex 00-10 has a sound velocity of approx. 973 m/s. In the document I quoted, this is 1088.04 m/s, i.e. the difference is not so "dramatic", we are talking about approx. 12%.

Unfortunately, I cannot understand what the differences are between "Dragon Skin Medium" and the two materials that the PhD thesis cites (DragonSkin 10 and DragonSkin 20). I would not rule out the possibility that they are different materials.

Unfortunately, I can’t answer your question about where the limit of tolerability is. I have had good experiences with the DragonSkin 20, and there are now other users who successfully use the DragonSkin 20 and the DragonSkin 10.

@Kyrpa
@Tutt
@igigi
@all participating members

What an amazing thread. It was an eye opener and full of scientific orientation.

I throughly enjoyed reading it. The technical terms were very difficult to grasp, but I got the whole point.

The arguments raised and cleared were extremely helpfull.

Thank you for your work, explainations and thoughts.

As I see newbies asking for more information about the use of heat, I am bumping these threads which contain the most valuable information related to PE in the last few years including the use if heat and ultrasound as a scientifically proven method.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

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